That is the intent of biden and the demorats.The vast majority of braced pistol owners will all of the sudden by made felons without their knowledge.
Our .gov is flat out evil.
That is the intent of biden and the demorats.The vast majority of braced pistol owners will all of the sudden by made felons without their knowledge.
Our .gov is flat out evil.
As far as I know yes, the 4999 is still in play. You actually have a pistol with a brace that only scores 3 points? Don't answer that. I thought the 4999 was designed so that virtually no braced pistol would pass the test.Is, based on what we know now, Form 4999 still in play? I have a pistol that scores no more than 3 and so, according to the form, it's not "a shoulder fired design." I haven't run any pistols other than that one across the form nor am I saying I own any others. But I'm curious about the status of the form.
It weighs less than 64 ounces so I get to skip Section II, picking up no points, and go directly to Section III.I thought the 4999 was designed so that virtually no braced pistol would pass the test.
No but I have all the parts to build it. Once it's together it may turn out that I forgot something but, for now, I don't think so.You actually have a pistol with a brace that only scores 3 points?
That is the intent of biden and the demorats.
The form 4999 is very confusing and maybe you are interpreting it incorrectly. Or maybe I am. This GOA worksheet indicates that less than 64 ounces is a disqualifying factor. Less than 64 ounces means it is not suitable for a brace and must be registered as SBR.It weighs less than 64 ounces so I get to skip Section II, picking up no points, and go directly to Section III.
In Section III, the 4 sub-parts work out as:
2 points total in the default configuration. It's possible. It's not easy but it's possible.
- Length of Pull - 2 points,
- (I have alternate parts to bring this down to 1 point.)
- Attachment method is a standard tube, so - 0 points,
- (A shorter tube might be necessary which would add 1 point.)
- Modifications, none, so - 0 points, and
- (If I use a fin-type brace to reduce the length of pull, that would add 2 points.)
- Peripherals, just an unlimited eye relief red dot, the only sight setup that results in - 0 points.
- (I'm considering iron sights which would add 1 more point but I doubt I'll go that route.)
No but I have all the parts to build it. Once it's together it may turn out that I forgot something but, for now, I don't think so.
Hmmm.The form 4999 is very confusing and maybe you are interpreting it incorrectly. Or maybe I am. This GOA worksheet indicates that less than 64 ounces is a disqualifying factor. Less than 64 ounces means it is not suitable for a brace and must be registered as SBR.
I believe it is intentionally ambiguous. Even if a pistol with brace could somehow accrue less than 4 points on the 4999, ATF still reserves the right to classify it as an SBR at their discretion. So there it is, clear as mud.Hmmm.
I read the 4999 as if it were written in plain English.
I believe it is intentionally ambiguous. Even if a pistol with brace could somehow accrue less than 4 points on the 4999, ATF still reserves the right to classify it as an SBR at their discretion. So there it is, clear as mud.
Another item I read, but don't understand: You can make your pistol legal again simply by removing the brace. UNLESS, the pistol was purchased with the brace installed. Then your only recourse is to SBR it, turn it in, or destroy it. If you purchased and added the brace and pistol separately, you may simply destroy the brace to become legal. I found that on the second page here: https://www.sb-tactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/ATF-Proposed-Rule-Stabilizing-Braces.pdf
This is so much BS and so confusing, that no one can be certain if they are within the law.
Yup…sortaDidn’t they just come out with a letter admitting they overreached?
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Another item I read, but don't understand: You can make your pistol legal again simply by removing the brace. UNLESS, the pistol was purchased with the brace installed. Then your only recourse is to SBR it, turn it in, or destroy it. If you purchased and added the brace and pistol separately, you may simply destroy the brace to become legal. I found that on the second page here: https://www.sb-tactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/ATF-Proposed-Rule-Stabilizing-Braces.pdf
This is so much BS and so confusing, that no one can be certain if they are within the law.
That makes two of us. Er, maybe 2 million of us. Or 4-10 million.Maybe I'm just really confused.
I'm sure, if they had the inclination, they could trace it by serial number back to the original manufacturer/LGS that sold it. Or maybe they will start there like they did with the Rare Breed triggers.What about just buying it from an individual, with a brace on it?
How would they know?
Maybe I'm just really confused.
>I'm sure, if they had the inclination, they could trace it by serial number back to the original manufacturer/LGS that sold it. Or maybe they will start there like they did with the Rare Breed triggers.
We are all behind you and greatful that you're willing to sacrifice yourself as the test Case>
We, and they, all know that this is just pure political harassment, nickel-&-dime’ing, death by tiny cuts, B-S.
The NFA was supposedly in response to the JFK assassination w/ a mail order Carcano; which had ZERO to do with pistol braces or bump stocks, much less with handguns !
We must RESIST !
”SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!”
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You have a family member who works for the ATF?>
Was visited yesterday by our ”Baby”, now of the dastardly ATF. Baby insists that this comes directly from the FBI & Biden Adm, not from within the ATF.
Of course, Baby is field-level, so that is “for whatever it is worth” to us here.
leVieux
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LolYou have a family member who works for the ATF?
But if the AR pistol does not have a brace, then 4999 is not applicable at all.The form 4999 is very confusing and maybe you are interpreting it incorrectly. Or maybe I am. This GOA worksheet indicates that less than 64 ounces is a disqualifying factor. Less than 64 ounces means it is not suitable for a brace and must be registered as SBR.
To my understanding, it must be between 64 oz. and 120 oz. and between 12 inches and 26 inches in length. Otherwise it is considered an SBR regardless of other criteria.
You can't skip section II based on less than 64 oz., you can't go any further at all if it does meet both of the above criteria.