Redefining things, making up new names, making up new rules and changing long established rules, I would say I'm playing a game with the local kids at the playground. If this wasn't so damned serious.
Pistol Brace Amnesty/Registration
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First of all, **** the NFA, the GCA, and the ATF.
Having said that, this HAS been done before by the ATF, and the ruling stands to this day.
“Street sweeper” shotguns were legally sold as firearms for several years before being redefined as destructive devices.
There was an amnesty period then as well to allow you to register tax free. If you did not register one you personally owned, you were required to destroy it.
I don’t agree with or like any of it, but unless congress intervenes, we are probably screwed.
Edited to preemptively add- yes I know about the recent rulings regarding the EPA and overreach. That has not and will not deter the ATF until explicitly ordered to do otherwise.
Having said that, this HAS been done before by the ATF, and the ruling stands to this day.
“Street sweeper” shotguns were legally sold as firearms for several years before being redefined as destructive devices.
There was an amnesty period then as well to allow you to register tax free. If you did not register one you personally owned, you were required to destroy it.
I don’t agree with or like any of it, but unless congress intervenes, we are probably screwed.
Edited to preemptively add- yes I know about the recent rulings regarding the EPA and overreach. That has not and will not deter the ATF until explicitly ordered to do otherwise.
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"easier to conceal".................
Whenever I see someone with a duster or trench coat on especially in summer deserves scrutiny................
and hoodies in the summer pulled up over their head..............
Hell yes, I profile............
Whenever I see someone with a duster or trench coat on especially in summer deserves scrutiny................
and hoodies in the summer pulled up over their head..............
Hell yes, I profile............
The atf has declared today that braces are illegal. Here is a link to the story.
Just my understanding and a question;
Given that the form 1 is open and if you have a brace and want to legally own it you're supposed to register at least 1 of your AR's as an SBR. Should you register your AR as an SBR if you just sometimes want to own a braced rifle? Should you register ALL of your AR's (and other rifles) as an SBR should you get the notion one day to attach a brace or attach an upper shorter than 16"? So confusing and I hate the idea of registering anything, but I'm so confused as to what should be done.
I don't own a brace and don't really want to, but I might have wanted to use a 10" 300blk rifle but legally and a brace/SBR would be the easiest way, right?
Given that the form 1 is open and if you have a brace and want to legally own it you're supposed to register at least 1 of your AR's as an SBR. Should you register your AR as an SBR if you just sometimes want to own a braced rifle? Should you register ALL of your AR's (and other rifles) as an SBR should you get the notion one day to attach a brace or attach an upper shorter than 16"? So confusing and I hate the idea of registering anything, but I'm so confused as to what should be done.
I don't own a brace and don't really want to, but I might have wanted to use a 10" 300blk rifle but legally and a brace/SBR would be the easiest way, right?
Hell no.
I bought pistol braces, legally, above board, paid sales taxes, did it by the book.
Pound sand, ATF.
You're just a bureaucratic agency. Not a legislative entity that can govern laws. Didn't the courts already rule this as so?
I bought pistol braces, legally, above board, paid sales taxes, did it by the book.
Pound sand, ATF.
You're just a bureaucratic agency. Not a legislative entity that can govern laws. Didn't the courts already rule this as so?
Yeah supposedly the $200 tax is being waived right now so if you were going to do an SBR anyways, make hay.
GOA LAWSUIT ENROUTE TO COURTHOUSE.
Little Johnny was in his Kindergarten class when the teacher asked the children what their fathers did for a living.
All the typical answers came up - fireman, policeman, salesman. Johnny was being uncharacteristically quiet, and so the teacher asked him about his father.
"My father's an exotic dancer in a gay cabaret and takes off all his clothes in front of other men. Sometimes, if the offer's really good, he'll go out to the alley with some screaming homo and take it up the ***".
The teacher hurriedly set the other children to work on some colouring in and took little Johnny aside to ask him "Is that really true about your father?"
"No," said Johnny, "he really works for the atf, but I was too embarrassed to say".
All the typical answers came up - fireman, policeman, salesman. Johnny was being uncharacteristically quiet, and so the teacher asked him about his father.
"My father's an exotic dancer in a gay cabaret and takes off all his clothes in front of other men. Sometimes, if the offer's really good, he'll go out to the alley with some screaming homo and take it up the ***".
The teacher hurriedly set the other children to work on some colouring in and took little Johnny aside to ask him "Is that really true about your father?"
"No," said Johnny, "he really works for the atf, but I was too embarrassed to say".
So the ATF has ditched the whole form 4999 and just wrote a new rule. This may be harder to beat in court. Excerpt below.
www.ammoland.com
The proposed rule used a form known as “Worksheet 4999” to determine if a firearm equipped with a pistol brace would be considered an SBR by using a point system. The ATF ditched the form in favor of a widespread declaration that almost every pistol equipped with a brace of any kind would be considered an SBR.
This designation includes devices such as pistol stabilizing braces which the ATF assumes the shooter installed to be able to shoulder the gun. Also, if a firearm merely has the surface area that would allow it to be fired from the shoulder, the ATF might consider it an SBR if it has a weight or length consistent with a rifle.
This last paragraph ^^sounds like it makes all AR style pistols into SBRs whether it has a brace or not.
ATF Unveils Pistol Brace Rule...Everything Is An SBR!
The ATF released its final rule surrounding pistol stabilizing devices killing off the market for the items unless court challenges prove successful.
www.ammoland.com
The proposed rule used a form known as “Worksheet 4999” to determine if a firearm equipped with a pistol brace would be considered an SBR by using a point system. The ATF ditched the form in favor of a widespread declaration that almost every pistol equipped with a brace of any kind would be considered an SBR.
Under the new rule, any firearm that is “designed or redesigned made or remade and intended to be fired from the shoulder” will be considered an SBR.
This designation includes devices such as pistol stabilizing braces which the ATF assumes the shooter installed to be able to shoulder the gun. Also, if a firearm merely has the surface area that would allow it to be fired from the shoulder, the ATF might consider it an SBR if it has a weight or length consistent with a rifle.
This last paragraph ^^sounds like it makes all AR style pistols into SBRs whether it has a brace or not.
