I have mixed feelings on this....

[leVieux]

They weren't taught that in OCS.

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I always listened to our Sergeants.

Now, “Warrant Officers”, especially the “WOPA’s” were an entirely different matter. Had to keep an eye on them at all times.

One evening I was M.O.D. supervising the E.D at Fort Hood, with a couple WOPA’s up front.

Through the open side-door, I heard one of them loudly say “B G; hey Buddy, what the f__k kind of rank is “BG”, anyway ?

I flew through the door faster than O.J. trying to hide the bloody gloves; “General, Sir, please excuse the WOPA, he is ignorant. What could we do for you Sir?”

Luckily, the General was cool, just laughed it off. But the WOPA needed resuscitation.

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[Tnhawk]

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Now, “Warrant Officers”, especially the “WOPA’s” were an entirely different matter. Had to keep an eye on them at all times.


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During my time as a Warrant Officer Candidate I heard the story that, a WO and a LT were in the restroom at the officers club where the LT told the WO that in OCS they were taught to wash their hands after taking a leak. The WO replied that in WOFT, they were taught not to piss on their hands.

 

[leVieux]

During my time as a Warrant Officer Candidate I heard the story that, a WO and a LT were in the restroom at the officers club where the LT told the WO that in OCS they were taught to wash their hands after taking a leak. The WO replied that in WOFT, they were taught not to piss on their hands.

I had little contact with most WO’s, only the WOPA’s.

My Friends who were Special Forces spoke highly of the WO Pilots.

 

[Johnny Diamond]

During my time as a Warrant Officer Candidate I heard the story that, a WO and a LT were in the restroom at the officers club where the LT told the WO that in OCS they were taught to wash their hands after taking a leak. The WO replied that in WOFT, they were taught not to piss on their hands.

Hell yeah.

~ strength and honor ~

 

[cycleguy2300]

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All Americans need to understand that having a gun or holding a gun are not crimes nor threats.

Those media-taught attitudes are real threats to us all.

Florida Panhandle folks are pretty conservative; a mix of Southerners & Military Veterans.

Let’s stay true to our 2A quests !

A 911 call re “A man with a gun” could well be about one of US !

leVieux

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Answering a door with a gun in hand to a cop on scene of a reported violent disturbance/assault, who loudly announced... its just not reasonably believe that guy was anything but threat which justified deadly force.

There is no lawful reason to answer a knock by displaying a gun to an apartment common area.

It is not a risk I would take and not a risk I would expect anyone else to take.

You cannot expect anyone, even cops, to have to wait to get shot before using deadly force. The totality of circumstances made it reasonable to believe the guys was holding the gun (means) with the intent to cause the deputy (or another) serious bodily injury or death.

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[V-Tach]

Game Wardens come into contact with plenty of folks holding guns on initial contact..............

...........and do not shoot them.............

Don't misunderstand, my Son was with our SO for 7 years before joining the CC Port PD.........even he has made the comment, let a Jury decide if he's indicted.....

 

[A1Oni]

Answering a door with a gun in hand to a cop on scene of a reported violent disturbance/assault, who loudly announced... its just not reasonably believe that guy was anything but threat which justified deadly force.

There is no lawful reason to answer a knock by displaying a gun to an apartment common area.

It is not a risk I would take and not a risk I would expect anyone else to take.

You cannot expect anyone, even cops, to have to wait to get shot before using deadly force. The totality of circumstances made it reasonable to believe the guys was holding the gun (means) with the intent to cause the deputy (or another) serious bodily injury or death.

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you must really like the taste of boot polish.

 

[leVieux]

Answering a door with a gun in hand to a cop on scene of a reported violent disturbance/assault, who loudly announced... its just not reasonably believe that guy was anything but threat which justified deadly force.

There is no lawful reason to answer a knock by displaying a gun to an apartment common area.

It is not a risk I would take and not a risk I would expect anyone else to take.

You cannot expect anyone, even cops, to have to wait to get shot before using deadly force. The totality of circumstances made it reasonable to believe the guys was holding the gun (means) with the intent to cause the deputy (or another) serious bodily injury or death.

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“on scene of a reported violent disturbance/assault’’

No, the decedent was in his own home, minding his own business, on the phone with his GF. Just how was he supposed to know any of that ?

I don’t share your opinion, and I doubt that many on here do, either.

I am told by those who investigate these things that virtually every criminal home invasion starts with loud knocking and ‘’Police; Open-Up!”

We all watched the warrant-servicing HPD Officer’s murder, by full auto fire through a door, a couple years back, and were horrified.

But that doesn’t justify LEO’s going around murdering innocent Citizens in their own homes. PERIOD !

And, I am one who supports our Police, by more than lip service.

leVieux

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[Havok1]

the victim didn’t know it was a police officer responding to a DV call. Hard to believe that we are this far into the thread and it still needs to be pointed out that the victims POV was different from the officers.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Game Wardens come into contact with plenty of folks holding guns on initial contact..............

...........and do not shoot them.............

Don't misunderstand, my Son was with our SO for 7 years before joining the CC Port PD.........even he has made the comment, let a Jury decide if he's indicted.....

Very different circumstances...

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[cycleguy2300]

the victim didn’t know it was a police officer responding to a DV call. Hard to believe that we are this far into the thread and it still needs to be pointed out that the victims POV was different from the officers.

He didnt need to know it was a cop for him to know it was a terrible idea to opennthe door and display a gun to someone in the public, common area of an apartment...

And ultimately it isn't what the dead guy knew, its what is reasonable for the deputy to believe. And after knocking and announcing loudly, its reasonable to think who ever opens the door knew it was a cop knocking...

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[SARGE67]

Game Wardens come into contact with plenty of folks holding guns on initial contact..............

...........and do not shoot them.............

Don't misunderstand, my Son was with our SO for 7 years before joining the CC Port PD.........even he has made the comment, let a Jury decide if he's indicted.....

Game wardens come in contact with lots and lots of folks each day, they are a special breed and smart...

 

[Mohawk600]

you must really like the taste of boot polish.

There is an ignore button for people like the one you reference

 

[Havok1]

He didnt need to know it was a cop for him to know it was a terrible idea to opennthe door and display a gun to someone in the public, common area of an apartment...

And ultimately it isn't what the dead guy knew, its what is reasonable for the deputy to believe. And after knocking and announcing loudly, its reasonable to think who ever opens the door knew it was a cop knocking...

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YOU think it was reasonable. That doesn’t mean it was.

 

[V-Tach]

He didnt need to know it was a cop for him to know it was a terrible idea to opennthe door and display a gun to someone in the public, common area of an apartment...

And ultimately it isn't what the dead guy knew, its what is reasonable for the deputy to believe. And after knocking and announcing loudly, its reasonable to think who ever opens the door knew it was a cop knocking...

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If he's lucky someone on the Jury will agree with you..............

So far his department, the DA and a Grand Jury think otherwise...............

I won't be hearing the evidence as a Juror, so I must defer to their opinion........

FWIW....if Trump wins, look for legislation to give cops more immunity protection.......he has stated it publicly.........

 

[KTXdm9]

From the same department that brought you acorn boy. SMH.

 

[Miami_JBT]

Answering a door with a gun in hand to a cop on scene of a reported violent disturbance/assault, who loudly announced... its just not reasonably believe that guy was anything but threat which justified deadly force.

There is no lawful reason to answer a knock by displaying a gun to an apartment common area.

It is not a risk I would take and not a risk I would expect anyone else to take.

You cannot expect anyone, even cops, to have to wait to get shot before using deadly force. The totality of circumstances made it reasonable to believe the guys was holding the gun (means) with the intent to cause the deputy (or another) serious bodily injury or death.

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As a former Florida LEO.... nah bro. There is nothing criminal about what the Airman did. Especially with the fact that in Florida, it is somewhat common for folks to claim their police during a home invasion.

Home Invasion By Fake Cops Leaves Family Terrified

Miami-Dade Police are searching for two men they say terrorized a home Friday morning by pretending to be police officers.

www.cbsnews.com

https://wsvn.com/news/local/police-investigate-southwest-miami-dade-home-invasion/

The issue in Florida is simple. Police are drilled into during their training that anyone with a gun is bad. That needs to damn stop. We have an inalienable right to keep and bear arms and that right has been enumerated multiple times now in the US Supreme Court.

But Florida LE continues to harass law-abiding citizens and sometimes that harassment results in deadly consequences.

 

[Miami_JBT]

He didnt need to know it was a cop for him to know it was a terrible idea to opennthe door and display a gun to someone in the public, common area of an apartment...

And ultimately it isn't what the dead guy knew, its what is reasonable for the deputy to believe. And after knocking and announcing loudly, its reasonable to think who ever opens the door knew it was a cop knocking...

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When I lived in a shitty apartment complex, I damn made sure I answered the door while armed when dirtbags pounded on my door. Amazing what the sight of a GLOCK does to a vagabond wanting to make entry to my domicile. They suddenly change their attitude, apologize, and go look for another victim.

 

[majormadmax]

Arguing about it on here is pointless.

What will matter is what convinces the jury on its verdict.

It's a tragic situation for all involved.

 

[cycleguy2300]

you must really like the taste of boot polish.

Feel free to provide facts, law or case law that contradict me if I'm so wrong...

But you won't because you can't

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