Breaking news shots fired at trump rally

[Younggun]

The drone would go up only early enough before his arrival on stage for someone to complete a sweep of the rooftops. Then keep one on station until he is off the stage and away.

Just hear me out.

For something like this the drone would probably have 2 operators. One for flying and one operating the camera. Doesn’t have to be that way, could sit stationary and operate the camera but it’s the government so they’ll likely use 2 personnel.

Take those 2 people, put them in elevated positions, give them binoculars. Much clearer vision now and can turn or react quickly.

Now figure you need 2 teams of operators so one drone goes up before the other comes down. So you could have 4 guys in elevated positions or even on more rooftops (maybe even the one the shooter used) constantly scanning.

And given that there is a limited number of personnel available flying drones will require security personnel to be pulled from other duties like patrolling and monitoring the crowd.

"My fellow Americans, I want to speak to you tonight about the need for us to lower the temperature in our politics. Do remember, while we may disagree, we are not enemies. We’re neighbors, we’re friends, coworkers, citizens, and most importantly, we are fellow Americans. We must stand together."

...says the man whose social media team tweeted that it's "time to put Trump in the crosshairs".

seriously, you’ve never mentioned or heard a phrase related to having someone in your crosshairs?

So much shit has been said by the left that really is horrible. We don’t need to take a common phrase and pretend it means anything more.

 

[WT_Foxtrot]

I don't think of myself as a conspiracy theorist, but I do tend to think for myself based on the things I see and hear and facts I receive that I know to be true. It just appears to me that this might have been an inside job and/or was just allowed to happen. Here's why.

- A 20-year-old kid was able to scale a very visible and proximate building in broad daylight with a rifle apparently 130 yards from where a prominent politician was speaking, take the time to set up, and take a number of shots. It's not like this kid was some kind of career assassin nor was it some Chris Kyle shot from a mile away. It was like from your deer blind to your feeder close. This just simply DOES NOT happen with Secret Service. From everything I know and have heard and read, they are painstaking in their thoroughness of securing the area days ahead of time and leave no spot, area, or angle uncovered and unattended that would leave the target vulnerable. And the spot where the shooter was found was not only well within any perceivable perimeter, but a prime spot for any would-be shooter.

- Second, there have been numerous accounts from people in attendance that they witnessed the perp scaling the building with a rifle and alerted LE. Several accounts related that LE seemed disinterested. Some stated that they were waving at the LE snipers on rooftops (not sure if it was SS or perhaps local SWAT, etc.) and so they were fully aware of what was happening. Yet nothing happened and the rally was allowed to continue. Any sane person would assume that if there was even the slightest perception of an imminent threat, the SS agents on the ground would have swarmed Trump and rushed him offstage to safety in a matter of seconds. That obviously never happened.

- Lastly, someone in another thread mentioned that snipers were under orders to not engage the shooter until he fired. And maybe that's true. But if so, they knew the threat was there and, back to my previous point, there was zero action taken until a shot was actually fired from the perp that was apparently intended to kill DJT and did kill someone else and two others were wounded.

Whole thing just seems odd and completely opposite of how the Secret Service and LE in general would operate for an event like this.

Am I overthinking and off base or do these points have merit?

 

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[General Zod]

seriously, you’ve never mentioned or heard a phrase related to having someone in your crosshairs?

So much shit has been said by the left that really is horrible. We don’t need to take a common phrase and pretend it means anything more.

Seriously, after ten years of hateful rhetoric, does it strain your mind to think violent imagery from the Biden campaign might encourage an assassination attempt? This isn't the first time, just the most recent - a couple of days before the shooting. In fact there is a LOT of violent phrasing from the peaceful, tolerant left.

 

[Younggun]

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It does show that the shooter was staying low and likely not visible (to the sniper teams) until just before firing.

 

[zackmars]

I will also like to point out (possibly again) that there were 6 CS teams. 2 SS*, 4 Local/State

*unless they were DHS temps

 

[Younggun]

Seriously, after ten years of hateful rhetoric, does it strain your mind to think violent imagery from the Biden campaign might encourage an assassination attempt? This isn't the first time, just the most recent - a couple of days before the shooting. In fact there is a LOT of violent phrasing from the peaceful, tolerant left.

Exactly, 10 years of demonizing and dehumanizing. Multiple conservatives attacked. Left politicians telling crowds to attack conservative politicians in public and at their homes.


This was just a common phrase. I’m not going to pretend common language is violent.

 

[Johnny Diamond]

I will also like to point out (possibly again) that there were 6 CS teams. 2 SS*, 4 Local/State

*unless they were DHS temps

DEI hires

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[Lonesome Dove]

You're way late to the party.
There are 30 pages.

Breaking news shots fired at trump rally

Wtf Looks like it nicked his ear area https://news.sky.com/story/shots-fired-at-donald-trump-rally-as-former-president-rushed-off-stage-13177651

www.texasguntalk.com

 

[Renegade]

It does show that the shooter was staying low and likely not visible (to the sniper teams) until just before firing.

That would indicate another massive fail to not have a high ground position.

My local PD has a high observation post they deploy in parking lots to deter theft. I am sure most know what I am talking about. But they could not do that for POTUS?

 

[General Zod]

Exactly, 10 years of demonizing and dehumanizing. Multiple conservatives attacked. Left politicians telling crowds to attack conservative politicians in public and at their homes.


This was just a common phrase. I’m not going to pretend common language is violent.

Your position makes no sense. Violent, demonizing rhetoric is harmful and has led to attacks, but it's ok if it comes from Brandon's mouthpieces? Bullshit. All of it contributed directly to this attempt, including the words of Brandon's social media people and his own spoken (parroted) words.

 

[WT_Foxtrot]

You're way late to the party.
There are 30 pages.

Breaking news shots fired at trump rally

Wtf Looks like it nicked his ear area https://news.sky.com/story/shots-fired-at-donald-trump-rally-as-former-president-rushed-off-stage-13177651

www.texasguntalk.com

Must have missed it. Never saw a thread re: this topic.

 

[zackmars]

 

[orbitup]

Interesting footage

 

[andre3k]

Damn. 582 posts in, I'm not going back reading everything.

As someone who has coordinated several motorcades for Obama, Trump, Biden and lots of other dignitaries, I don't see this as a failure of that solely rests on the USSS.

I haven't followed this much because I've been busy, but so far it seems like a severe lapse in communication.

The secret service details operate on an encrypted Motorola comms system that only they have access to. Local law enforcement doesn't have the capability to talk directly with USSS agents over the radio. Usually a command post is setup with secret service agents working with local LE that relay info to their side of the house.

90% of the security you see during an event like this is local LE. SS doesn't have the manpower to fully staff these events. They primarily secure a bubble immediately surrounding the protectee and bring in the armored vehicles for movements.

With Trump being a former president, he doesn't get the level of security a sitting president does, but they can adjust manpower if they get Intel of a verifiable threat. When I'm in the lead car on a presidential motorcade, people don't realize how many opportunities there are for things to happen even with the level of security that he has. Law enforcement has always had a problem communicating with each other, and until there's some type of national standard that's applied equally to all agencies there will be communications issues in the future.

I can easily see how a boot on the ground assigned to a fixed post can have difficulty relaying a threat directly to Trumps detail.

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[zackmars]

Damn. 582 posts in, I'm not going back reading everything.

As someone who has coordinated several motorcades for Obama, Trump, Biden and lots of other dignitaries, I don't see this as a failure of that solely rests on the USSS.

I haven't followed this much because I've been busy, but so far it seems like a severe lapse in communication.

The secret service details operate on an encrypted Motorola comms system that only they have access to. Local law enforcement doesn't have the capability to talk directly with USSS agents over the radio. Usually a command post is setup with secret service agents working with local LE that relay info to their side of the house.

90% of the security you see during an event like this is local LE. SS doesn't have the manpower to fully staff these events. They primarily secure a bubble immediately surrounding the protectee and bring in the armored vehicles for movements.

With Trump being a former president, he doesn't get the level of security a sitting president does, but they can adjust manpower if they get Intel of a verifiable threat. When I'm in the lead car on a presidential motorcade, people don't realize how many opportunities there are for things to happen even with the level of security that he has. Law enforcement has always had a problem communicating with each other, and until there's some type of national standard that's applied equally to all agencies there will be communications issues in the future.

I can easily see how a boot on the ground assigned to a fixed post can have difficulty relaying a threat directly to Trumps detail.

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Trump's actual SS detail was stripped to bolster jill bidens, and thats AFTER being denied extra detail

You can't prepare for everything, but having an unwatched and unguarded building within 150 yards isn't some out of the blue scenario

 

[Younggun]

I don't think of myself as a conspiracy theorist, but I do tend to think for myself based on the things I see and hear and facts I receive that I know to be true. It just appears to me that this might have been an inside job and/or was just allowed to happen. Here's why.

- A 20-year-old kid was able to scale a very visible and proximate building in broad daylight with a rifle apparently 130 yards from where a prominent politician was speaking, take the time to set up, and take a number of shots. It's not like this kid was some kind of career assassin nor was it some Chris Kyle shot from a mile away. It was like from your deer blind to your feeder close. This just simply DOES NOT happen with Secret Service. From everything I know and have heard and read, they are painstaking in their thoroughness of securing the area days ahead of time and leave no spot, area, or angle uncovered and unattended that would leave the target vulnerable. And the spot where the shooter was found was not only well within any perceivable perimeter, but a prime spot for any would-be shooter.

- Second, there have been numerous accounts from people in attendance that they witnessed the perp scaling the building with a rifle and alerted LE. Several accounts related that LE seemed disinterested. Some stated that they were waving at the LE snipers on rooftops (not sure if it was SS or perhaps local SWAT, etc.) and so they were fully aware of what was happening. Yet nothing happened and the rally was allowed to continue. Any sane person would assume that if there was even the slightest perception of an imminent threat, the SS agents on the ground would have swarmed Trump and rushed him offstage to safety in a matter of seconds. That obviously never happened.

- Lastly, someone in another thread mentioned that snipers were under orders to not engage the shooter until he fired. And maybe that's true. But if so, they knew the threat was there and, back to my previous point, there was zero action taken until a shot was actually fired from the perp that was apparently intended to kill DJT and did kill someone else and two others were wounded.

Whole thing just seems odd and completely opposite of how the Secret Service and LE in general would operate for an event like this.

Am I overthinking and off base or do these points have merit?

Secret service may have seen people waving. Was that a distraction from the roof they were watching?

Numerous mentions in this thread regarding the communication issues between local LE and SS.

Video above shows the shooter crawling up the backside of the roof. Possibly (probably?) not visible to SS shooters. From there it would be fairly quick to stand up and take a shot.

Shooter may not be military, John Wick, or Chris Kyle…but he practiced enough to clip Trumps ear under stress at over 100 yards which takes some basic marksmanship from prone, and more practice from a standing unsupported position. Not amazing skills, but still shows he wasn’t a brand new shooter who got a wild hair.

Lots of the “facts” presented in this thread come from “sources”. I’m not very trusting of unnamed sources.


Lastly, with all the insane crap the left has been spewing about the right and Trump since 2016 I don’t think it’s surprising that this happened. I just don’t feel like I need to search that far for answers after what we’ve seen for years. A large number of people truly believe that Trump is a racist, rapist, murderer, who wants to genocide the gays and anyone not white. The political left and MSM created that. They have no need to take the risk of any sort of inside job. This attempt was the natural outcome of such rhetoric.

 

[andre3k]

Trump's actual SS detail was stripped to bolster jill bidens, and thats AFTER being denied extra detail

You can't prepare for everything, but having an unwatched and unguarded building within 150 yards isn't some out of the blue scenario

I'm not surprised. I can see how it can happen. When Trump is traveling from point A to B, his entire route is essentially unsecured.

When Trump had a rally at the Montgomery County Fairgrounds last summer l, was ordered to use an unusually low number of motorcycles for the escort. Dangerously low. That order came after our Chief got a call directly from the White House asking why Trump needed more bikes for his escort than Obama did when he visited Houston. So I was told to use the smallest number of bikes to safely get him to his destination. It was absolutely crazy, but we did it.


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[Younggun]

Your position makes no sense. Violent, demonizing rhetoric is harmful and has led to attacks, but it's ok if it comes from Brandon's mouthpieces? Bullshit. All of it contributed directly to this attempt, including the words of Brandon's social media people and his own spoken (parroted) words.

“I’m putting that guy in my crosshairs” is not violent rhetoric. “I’ve got him in my crosshairs” can mean you are gonna get someone fired, beat them at a race, or any other variety of doing better of defeating someone.

Hell, I’ve said the same before. This is ridiculous. It’s just an idiom meaning someone is your target. Not that you intend to literally shoot them.

 

[zackmars]

I'm not surprised. I can see how it can happen. When Trump is traveling from point A to B, his entire route is essentially unsecured.

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The building was identified as a prime threat days in advance.

He wasn't traveling. He was standing at a podium. That building didn't move.