I hope that todays active duty and veterans think more critically of their duties and defy unlawful orders against the citizens
unfortunately we have a bad history of doing just the opposite.
look at the WWI Bonus Veterans that our standing Army attacked and killed in 1932 for protesting in Washington.
Remember Kent State and of course the aftermath of hurricane Katrina when our troops participated in mayor Nagins illegal gun grab
I don't hold out much hope, but I pray for the best, should it come down to it.
I took the oath back in 86 and I didn't think much about it back then, I was only 18
today it means more to me than it did back then, I understand the consequences of it more, I should say
With Katrina, there were two movements on firearms, The first was to take them from abandoned houses that the crooks were breaking into to to steal so the could shoot at us (ROE forbade return fire). The second was the door to door seizures. The troops only were involved in the first and all of those guns got taken to the PD with addresses of where they came from so they could be returned.
I hope that todays active duty and veterans think more critically of their duties and defy unlawful orders against the citizens
unfortunately we have a bad history of doing just the opposite.
Glad I wasn't apart of the Katrina mess, that just sounds awful.
How about General Ham and Admiral Gaoette were relieved in the bengazi scandal for refusing to obey orders-orders they believed were unconstitutional.
General Ham was head of AFRICOM and Admiral Gaoette was in command of carrier strike group three deployed in middle eastern waters at the time.
The thing with people being relieved in the military is you don't hear about it in the news unless its related to another big story. The govt likes to keep those under wraps to prevent us from looking weak to other countries.
Just got in a sticker pack and new shirt from oath keepers.
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How about General Ham and Admiral Gaoette were relieved in the bengazi scandal for refusing to obey orders-orders they believed were unconstitutional.
General Ham was head of AFRICOM and Admiral Gaoette was in command of carrier strike group three deployed in middle eastern waters at the time.
The thing with people being relieved in the military is you don't hear about it in the news unless its related to another big story. The govt likes to keep those under wraps to prevent us from looking weak to other countries.
We need high ranking leaders in the military who start refusing unlawful orders.
I'm glad a lot of regular servicemen are oath keepers but we need some currently serving flag officers to refuse to carry out orders against our constitution.
General Ham was not only relieved but was arrested by his 2nd who then took his position. Then we was transported back to the States and thats the last i had heard about him.
The story goes:General Ham was not only relieved but was arrested by his 2nd who then took his position. Then we was transported back to the States and thats the last i had heard about him.
...but it's not really clear if that actually happened or not. No one knows the source of that story and there's several other accounts stating it did not happen that way. This seems like kind of a big deal and I'm not sure why, if it's being covered up, more people wouldn't speak up about it. Actually, I have some ideas why but I would think that someone who has the courage to disobey orders to do the right thing would have the courage to tell the truth.General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.
General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.