Ukraine invasion

[Younggun]

Four Russian brigadier generals have died in three weeks on the battlefield in Ukraine, Kyiv officials said, showing faults in Moscow’s ability to lead troops into battle. The fallout could shape the outcome of the war, according to Ukrainian and Western officials. The Russian military’s fighting style appears to have contributed to the losses, analysts say. Other factors include subpar radio communications and intense fighting, including ambushes by Ukrainian forces near cities. Replacing them with officers with similar experience could prove difficult.

Wonder how many died on a battlefield vs clumsily slipping against a wall and shooting themselves after giving Putin a progress report.


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[Younggun]

Just read an article that one of the Russian missile systems has a countermeasures rocket it releases. Chaff, perhaps jamming capability as well. Can't remember where I read the article.

US was surprised, but has been happy that some of the countermeasures rockets have been recovered.

Yeah, renegade linked an article somewhere in the thread mixed in with the F-16 V F-15 debate.


I was thinking of a different type of ECM, full jamming tech onboard instead of decoy pods, or whatever might be a better word. Interesting.


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[Renegade]

So now Slovakia wants an upgrade. Everybody wants an upgrade!


According to CNN, Slovakia has preliminarily agreed to supply Soviet S-300 systems if they are replaced with other systems immediately. The transfer isn’t yet assured.

 

[MTA]

"Some" hits on civilians are simply a result of bad intel, tech that didn't work or human error.

Its a fūcking war, GTFO or take the risk of getting smoked.

I judge neither Russia nor Ukraine for the occasional hit on no military infrastructure

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Same here, I definitely agree. Isn't it funny how western media doesnt care about the Azov battalion anymore? Neo-nazis are ok as long as they serve the narrative. What a crazy timeline we have stumbled upon

 

[Renegade]

Yeah, renegade linked an article somewhere in the thread mixed in with the F-16 V F-15 debate.

87 pages on which 30+ year old Commie airframe is comparable to a USA one for a deal that will never be made!

I love the internets!

 

[toddnjoyce]

"The Biden administration is holding talks with Poland about a possible deal to help provide Soviet-era fighter jets to Ukraine, a White House spokesperson said.

The deal would involve Poland donating its old Russian-made MiG fighters to Ukraine, and then replacing them with the purchase of U.S.-made F-16 jets.


“We are working with the Poles on this issue and consulting with the rest of our NATO allies,” a White House spokesperson said."

U.S. in talks with Poland on deal to send fighter jets to Ukraine

After speaking via Zoom to Ukraine’s president, U.S. lawmakers from both parties urged the White House to help Kyiv obtain fighter jets from its Eastern European neighbors.

www.nbcnews.com

They were "surprised" because the Poles changed their minds and said "Ok, we're in."

From your own article,
“The deal would involve Poland donating its old Russian-made MiG fighters to Ukraine, and then replacing them with the purchase of U.S.-made F-16 jets.”

Nowhere was the US plan to be the middle man. The US position was (and always has been) to sell F-16s to NATO countries and other allies. The IS offered to accelerate Poland’s place in line for Vipers. Poland’s position was US has to be the middle man and was hoping for a no-cost deal to get Vipers. Those are two completely different plans.

 

[General Zod]

From your own article,
“The deal would involve Poland donating its old Russian-made MiG fighters to Ukraine, and then replacing them with the purchase of U.S.-made F-16 jets.”

Nowhere was the US plan to be the middle man. The US position was (and always has been) to sell F-16s to NATO countries and other allies. The IS offered to accelerate Poland’s place in line for Vipers. Poland’s position was US has to be the middle man and was hoping for a no-cost deal to get Vipers. Those are two completely different plans.

Poland was reluctant to do the deal in the first place. The Biden administration put a lot of pressure on them to do so, and they called the bluff by saying "OK, we'll give them to you and you pass them on." Check some of the other articles I linked on the subject for that angle. It went from the US supporting the transfer to the US claiming it would be too provocative overnight. It's just more egg on the face of the Biden administration.

 

[Renegade]

"The Mig-29 was designed for a very specific purpose, to scramble, to take off, fly to a point and shoot-down enemy aircraft"


ROFL - Just another "expert" who does not know what he is talking about. I mean, WTF does a guy who flew against the Mig-29 know? Google search says....

 

[General Zod]

Oh, look, a manchild finds one source that agrees with him, and that trumps multiple sources that present the actual history of an aircraft design, including the original design requirements. Guess those losers at Mikoyan didn't know why they designed and built the thing the way they did.

Let it go, manchild. The hijack is irrelevant and it's over.

 

[Renegade]

Oh, look, a manchild finds one source that agrees with him, and that trumps multiple sources that present the actual history of an aircraft design, including the original design requirements. Guess those losers at Mikoyan didn't know why they designed and built the thing the way they did.

Welcome back!


Developed by the Mikoyan design bureau as an air superiority fighter during the 1970s

SOURCE - "The Mig-29 Family", Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG, 8 December 2014.

But of course you know more than the factory that designed it, and the pilots that flew against it.


The MiG-29 is a single- and twin-seat, air-superiority fighter/interceptor aircraft.

SOURCE -

RAC MiG MiG-29 | Aviation Week Network

The MiG-29 is a single- and twin-seat, air-superiority fighter/interceptor aircraft. A MiG-29 prototype first flew in October 1977. The MiG-29 is powered by two 18,300-lb.-thrust Klimov RD-33 augmented turbofan engines. Over the years, the MiG-29 has gone through several revisions, including the...

aviationweek.com

And of course you also know more than the foremost defense analysts during the Cold War when it was made.

Let it go, manchild.

Name calling, what you resort to when you have lost the technical argument

The hijack is irrelevant and it's over.

Attempting to shutdown discussion, what you resort to when you have lost the technical argument.

 

[General Zod]

Welcome back!


Developed by the Mikoyan design bureau as an air superiority fighter during the 1970s

SOURCE - "The Mig-29 Family", Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG, 8 December 2014.

But of course you know more than the factory that designed it, and the pilots that flew against it.


The MiG-29 is a single- and twin-seat, air-superiority fighter/interceptor aircraft.

SOURCE -

RAC MiG MiG-29 | Aviation Week Network

The MiG-29 is a single- and twin-seat, air-superiority fighter/interceptor aircraft. A MiG-29 prototype first flew in October 1977. The MiG-29 is powered by two 18,300-lb.-thrust Klimov RD-33 augmented turbofan engines. Over the years, the MiG-29 has gone through several revisions, including the...

aviationweek.com

Yay, we've both found valid sources that support each of our arguments.

You crowing about each one you find is immature. But it's what I've learned to expect from you. It's not as if you've actually read any of the links I posted, but at least you've started making an effort to back up your assertions.

But...and here's the part you can't seem to comprehend...I've moved on. Meanwhile, you keep throwing out snide remarks that really show what kind of person you are. You have my pity.

 

[Wiliamr]

An interesting thought. Certain US plane drivers who have trained in the MIG 29 resign their commissions, climb into MIG 29s painted in Ukrainian colors and off they go. Worked well in China in 1941 - 1942. Not going to happen but is a good fantasy....

 

[cycleguy2300]

Same here, I definitely agree. Isn't it funny how western media doesnt care about the Azov battalion anymore? Neo-nazis are ok as long as they serve the narrative. What a crazy timeline we have stumbled upon

I know...

The KGB funded neo-NAZIs in West Germany...

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[leVieux]

Chips in cars were the result of a need or requirement brought about in some ways by the government interfering in the private sector. In this case, over the past few decades, the government required auto manufacturers to increase fuel mileage and reduce emissions. In order to meet those requirements the manufacturers had to go above what normal mechanical engineering could accomplish. They turned to chips that can make cars more fuel efficient as well as control emissions.

I agree this would probably have happened with or without government interference, but the only way manufacturers can keep up with the government requirements now is to rely more and more on computers. And now the government is pushing for electric vehicles, which not only use computers but rely heavily on batteries which use materials we do not have in abundance in America. And to make it worse, America's auto makers seem to be buying into it.

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THIS: "Chips in cars were the result of a need or requirement brought about in some ways by the government interfering in the private sector."\

This could explain so many of our current social and technical problems !

leVieux
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[Texasgordo]

F-14 beats everything else

 

[leVieux]

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Meanwhile, back at the ranch. . . . . . .

It would be a lot easier to feel sympathy to the Ukrainian President Zelensky, given all the melodrama coming from my TV. . . . . . .

IF

I could just forget that he, Zelensky, is George Soros' "man" in the area.

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[Renegade]

The Snake Island saga continues-

The Curious Case Of Russia's 'Back From The Dead' Warship That Ukraine Supposedly Struck

One of Russia's newest warships was said to have been struck by Ukrainian rockets, but has shown up unscathed in Crimea.

www.thedrive.com

 

[MTA]

The Snake Island saga continues-

The Curious Case Of Russia's 'Back From The Dead' Warship That Ukraine Supposedly Struck

One of Russia's newest warships was said to have been struck by Ukrainian rockets, but has shown up unscathed in Crimea.

www.thedrive.com

The Ghost of Kiev will get them

 

[gll]

American Goes To Ukraine: Doesn't Work Out As Planned

 

[cycleguy2300]

American Goes To Ukraine: Doesn't Work Out As Planned

I just wonder what he expected... what an idiot.

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