Pitbull attack in S.A. kills elderly man
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I’d leave this one alone. I share candc’s opinion. If you feel people are uncivilized, and i agree, at least don’t allow yourself to have double standards. The guy had a stroke and has a respectable resume.
A human bias is to simplify, but reality is often much more complex when the biases are ignored.
That really interesting dog brain article posted earlier shows there is something unique about the pit bull that makes it more unpredictable and aggressive. The conclusion I drew was to ignore individual anecdotes about "sweet babies who would never harm a soul" because as a whole, the breed is wholly different from others.
We also know owners can teach a dog bad habits through neglect or purposeful action, as well as fail to control or restrain their animal when it becomes aggressive. Here, intent is much easier to determine by words, deeds, or inactions.
Whether the dog or the owner bear the brunt of the blame depends on which factor contributes the most to the result. Any individual dog that shows aggressive tendencies needs to be taken seriously by authorities and put down as soon as there is plain evidence of serious risk of harm to humans (owners or neighbors). Owners need to be held accountable for actions or inactions that create the conditions for a dog to attack (letting the dog run free, leaving the gate open).
I don't understand why some are comparing a pit bull to a weapon. It seems to reflect where someone is placing the blame for an attack--on the owner or the dog--and the comparison is used to attack the assumptions which underlie the blame (owner negligently lets a dog run free; owner negligently discharges a firearm), yet a dog is animate and a firearm is inanimate.
To me, the owner and the pit bull should be compared to an owner and a wild animal kept as a pet. Some people have pet wolves or bears, but what I have heard many admit, is that despite the great videos of human-wild animal interactions, it is still a wild animal and could behave in an unexpectedly aggressive way at any time. So, the owner carefully regulates its interactions with other humans. This goes back to: the bear may look friendly, but it still has a bear brain that is wired to respond to certain stimuli. The owner needs to understand this and act accordingly. I think the same is true for pit bulls and their owners.
That really interesting dog brain article posted earlier shows there is something unique about the pit bull that makes it more unpredictable and aggressive. The conclusion I drew was to ignore individual anecdotes about "sweet babies who would never harm a soul" because as a whole, the breed is wholly different from others.
We also know owners can teach a dog bad habits through neglect or purposeful action, as well as fail to control or restrain their animal when it becomes aggressive. Here, intent is much easier to determine by words, deeds, or inactions.
Whether the dog or the owner bear the brunt of the blame depends on which factor contributes the most to the result. Any individual dog that shows aggressive tendencies needs to be taken seriously by authorities and put down as soon as there is plain evidence of serious risk of harm to humans (owners or neighbors). Owners need to be held accountable for actions or inactions that create the conditions for a dog to attack (letting the dog run free, leaving the gate open).
I don't understand why some are comparing a pit bull to a weapon. It seems to reflect where someone is placing the blame for an attack--on the owner or the dog--and the comparison is used to attack the assumptions which underlie the blame (owner negligently lets a dog run free; owner negligently discharges a firearm), yet a dog is animate and a firearm is inanimate.
To me, the owner and the pit bull should be compared to an owner and a wild animal kept as a pet. Some people have pet wolves or bears, but what I have heard many admit, is that despite the great videos of human-wild animal interactions, it is still a wild animal and could behave in an unexpectedly aggressive way at any time. So, the owner carefully regulates its interactions with other humans. This goes back to: the bear may look friendly, but it still has a bear brain that is wired to respond to certain stimuli. The owner needs to understand this and act accordingly. I think the same is true for pit bulls and their owners.
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Shooting loose dogs is the province of LE.
I made the mistake of buying a Havanese puppy from a backyard breeder. Before too long, that dog became a fear biter. Nobody was safe around her. Nothing I did fixed that problem. One time, her eyes got angry red like an enraged mama sow while she snapped repeatedly at my face. Broke my heart to take her to the pound, but she was rescued and eventually found a good home.
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Yah, I won't. But owning one is not my concern. Rather those that others own and allow to run loose is what I worry about. Same with any other large dog. Try being approached by a Cane Corso... YIKES!!
I've known two pitties... one belonged to my best friend's daughter. She was a cool dog. But "Wendie" warned my not to open the trailer door while they were out hunting... might get an unpleasant greeting.
The other belonged to a neighbor at my work. I parked the car and was walking into the shop when the door to their house opened and their pit came out.. running across the parking lot. I thought it was coming to say hi, but it bit me in the knee. Phucker!!
Would that it were so!!!
Whoa. Calm the phuck down and read the forum a bit. By now you should know that Axxe had a massive stroke. I'd like to see how you deal with the damage caused by a massive stroke.
Hint: try being gracious and give him some slack.
I heard it was a round of Pilsner!!
Cand,
Ya lost me with this: So add pitbull dogs to the verboten subjects with abortion and religion?
Verboten subjects?
Seems to be quite 'boten' - we're up to 17 pages of 'boten'...and going strong.
Here's one of my favorite quotes: "My dog doesn't bite"...meaning he won't bite you, the owner...Me, he'll bite...!
Ya lost me with this: So add pitbull dogs to the verboten subjects with abortion and religion?
Verboten subjects?
Seems to be quite 'boten' - we're up to 17 pages of 'boten'...and going strong.
Here's one of my favorite quotes: "My dog doesn't bite"...meaning he won't bite you, the owner...Me, he'll bite...!
General Zod
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Cheap shot. You owe Axxe an apology - it's pretty well known around here he's recovering from a stroke.
As for getting back on subject...has anyone considered the possibility that there are disproportionately more attacks by pitbulls because irresponsible owhers gravitate toward them? The press has pushed this "pitbulls are dangerous and uncontrollable" narrative to the point that for a certain segment of the population, having a vicious pitbull is a status symbol. They neglect or abuse the dogs, they think it's "funny" to teach them to be aggressive, and they often beat the dog when they're displeased with it. This would make any breed of dog vicious, but it tends to happen more with pitbulls, because this kind of person (out in the country, this would be the trashy redneck jackass, in urban areas the guy whose shitty house drops the whole neighborhood's property values, and who always seems to have dozens of cars coming and going at all hours...) sees them as more attractive for the way they want to abuse a dog.
Add to that irresponsible owners who simply get more dog than they can handle (or properly train) and you have a potential ticking time bomb.
Is this the fault of the breed, or of unworthy owners? When we see news stories about these attacks, it's rarely the beloved family dog who nobody expected to "snap" (although that happens - but it happens with German Shepherds, too), it's the dogs that the whole neighborhood lived in fear of, who were constantly escaping from their yards, and whose owners had multiple warnings about keeping their dogs under control.
BuzzinSATX
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Except your black gun won’t break loose on its own and shoot up an old guy…
We lock up rifles to keep people away from them. We lock up dangerous animals to keep them away from people
The video of the dogs tearing the old man apart is out now. Just watched it.
Gottdamm is all I can say.
PM if you want the link. Not going to post it on the open forum.
I warn you it is extremely graphic, disturbing, and most definitely NSFW.
Gottdamm is all I can say.
PM if you want the link. Not going to post it on the open forum.
I warn you it is extremely graphic, disturbing, and most definitely NSFW.
No thanks.
Any news on the old woman? Last I heard she was critical -
The owner should be subjected to similar action.
Texasgordo
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OK, it's the owner's fault, the dog, meh...yeah...wait, it's your Child/ Grand...Mother/Father/ or Neighbor being torn to shreds. But, the maligned dog,...poor thing.
Those innocents should know better than to assume they're safe from being attacked by a monster....
Pish posh/ it's those pesky outsiders fault for you being... (why they do riciduouslly assume they can be outside without being attacked and maimed or killed - how silly of them...) ..ah, blame it on the terrible owners...who will show up or in court...not.
Owning one of these animals is your responsibility to make certain they're not willing to kill...people.
Yes, yes, I've heard: The poor dog is a victim...tell that to the human victims.....
Those innocents should know better than to assume they're safe from being attacked by a monster....
Pish posh/ it's those pesky outsiders fault for you being... (why they do riciduouslly assume they can be outside without being attacked and maimed or killed - how silly of them...) ..ah, blame it on the terrible owners...who will show up or in court...not.
Owning one of these animals is your responsibility to make certain they're not willing to kill...people.
Yes, yes, I've heard: The poor dog is a victim...tell that to the human victims.....
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I watched it and ty for sending it to me. I like to remind myself what these dogs are capable of. Very violent. I could only imagine the heartbroken families that raised one of these dogs only for the pitbull to turn on their children or other dogs
Imagine spending 80 years on this planet and you go out being pulled apart by dogs in a first world country wtf
