Multiple People Shot at Texas Church

[Wildcat Diva]

And, I can’t stop thinking about it (trying to learn lessons).

So, I’m thinking... if truly, the security detail already had him pegged during the service as “off”, maybe react and be on him like white on rice the moment he stands up. Like already have your clothes out the way and your hand on the firearm hilt.

maybe in a similar situation when your spidey sense goes off... “overreacting” and being paranoid a bit to ready yourself (without actually taking the step of drawing your firearm) is the way to go?

 

[Renegade]

maybe in a similar situation when your spidey sense goes off... “overreacting” and being paranoid a bit to ready yourself (without actually taking the step of drawing your firearm) is the way to go?

Trench Coat, disguise including fake beard, wig, etc., he should have been confronted as soon as they saw him. Not in a hostile manner, but a meet/greet to see what was up. Security is an evolving thing, hopefully folks will incorporate this.

 

[Wildcat Diva]

Yes, I agree.

he was known to them, they had provided him with a food handout before. So someone should have stepped in and threw him off with a, “like, what’s up dude? What’s with the fake beard today?”

 

[SlimJim]

OK, so ordinary folks can act as security without being licensed security. This of course has nothing to do with carrying in a church.

Well it does if the church wanted some members to act as armed security. Now they don't have to be regulated by the state board of PIs.


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[oldag]

So, repeal the Texas Criminal Trespass law? Just make it where people who own or manage private property cannot ban people, for any reason?

You are not thinking this through. I am a staunch conservative and 2nd amendment supporter, but I should have the right to control access to my property, and that includes being able to prevent you from carrying a firearm on my property

You can always tell someone to leave your property, armed or not.

 

[Renegade]

Well it does if the church wanted some members to act as armed security.

Changing the law on security guards had no effect on whether Joe Sixpack could carry in a church. As TXI said, they just removed church provision from 46.035.

 

[oldag]

Yes, I agree.

he was known to them, they had provided him with a food handout before. So someone should have stepped in and threw him off with a, “like, what’s up dude? What’s with the fake beard today?”

And when he says "Oh, nothing. How are you today?" - what do you do?
In a church setting, barring visually seeing a weapon the most you can do is be alert and be ready.

 

[Renegade]

And when he says "Oh, nothing. How are you today?" - what do you do?

Why are you wearing a Trench Coat? It is 72 degrees in here. Why dont we help you check it in the coat room? And what is with the fake beard and wig? Why are you wearing those? And are you happy to see me or is that a PGO shotgun in your pants?

 

[SlimJim]

Changing the law on security guards had no effect on whether Joe Sixpack could carry in a church. As TXI said, they just removed church provision from 46.035.

Pfft, whatever. You asked and I answered. I am not gonna argue with you.

https://thetexan.news/jack-wilson-a...-texas-church-two-state-laws-may-have-helped/

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[Renegade]

Pfft, whatever. You asked and I answered. I am not gonna argue with you.

You gave the wrong answer, TXI gave the correct one. Get over it.

 

[Ioannes]

It's a fine line. Churches are supposed to ve welcoming of broken and weird people.


I used to be an usher at a church located in a bad neighborhood. Ushers always would great and seat each person so that everyone was aware of our presence.

There was an incident with a pastor named Daugherty who was attacked while preaching some years ago that reminded us we were to be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.

We'd get people coming in drugged out and we'd seat them to the left and rear of the church and a designated usher would sit in the area. If they'd act out or do anything funny, we'd take them out of there sanctuary in a group of 3-4 and we'd pray for them. Some of these people ended up getting saved.

To this day I serve as an usher. I know several of the pastors carry, as I've shot with them. We have a separate security team and I've never been told not to carry but I've not done it for fear of interfering with the security team's procedures. As an usher I'm part of the eyes and ears for security anyways.

We have quarterly security meetings with ushers, greeters, security and pastors to discuss plans and procedures.

A good that comes from this evil is that every church has been reminded that this can happen anywhere to any place of worship.

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[Renegade]

All the news has been reporting Texas changed its laws to allow carry in church, but carry in church has been legal since shortly after Westwood Shooting.

So what are they talking about? Or is it just the usual ignorance.

Well look at this, DMN got on it:

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/pol...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

[desertshooter]

Trench Coat, disguise including fake beard, wig, etc., he should have been confronted as soon as they saw him. Not in a hostile manner, but a meet/greet to see what was up. Security is an evolving thing, hopefully folks will incorporate this.

Yes, this

 

[MTA]

Why are you wearing a Trench Coat? It is 72 degrees in here. Why dont we help you check it in the coat room? And what is with the fake beard and wig? Why are you wearing those? And are you happy to see me or is that a PGO shotgun in your pants?

What does PGO stand for?

 

[Renegade]

What does PGO stand for?

Pistol Grip Only [Shotgun]

 

[MTA]

Pistol Grip Only [Shotgun]

Thanks

 

[stdreb27]

Well look at this, DMN got on it:

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/pol...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Wow. Not even the NRA social networkateers are getting that right.


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[jordanmills]

Then what do you do about 30.05, which would result in the law reverting back to any type of no guns allowed signs to he enforceable?

Just leave the part about not applying to someone with an LTC.

 

[txinvestigator]

Just leave the part about not applying to someone with an LTC.

You don't think private property owners should be able to control access to their own property?

 

[jordanmills]

You don't think private property owners should be able to control access to their own property?

Regardless of what I think, that is how things are. Try telling someone they can't come into your store because they're gay and see what happens.