Breaking news shots fired at trump rally

[Renegade]

Multiple shooters is the simplest explanation for the difference in audio reports

No simplest explanation is cell phone microphones that only capture audio in a small portion spectrum suck for gun shots.

Gun shots require dedicated equipment approaching $20k to be accurately recorded.

 

[Brains]

@Brains, you are right where I started into the audio analysis. All manner of archival confusion in audio recording. When I saw the unfiltered on a radioscope, the clear differences between 1-3 and 4-8 make single shooter a highly unlikely explanation.

lol radioscope? I assume you mean oscilloscope. You might even do some FFA and see what you can "uncover." But watching waveforms won't prove anything either. But if you think it will, I'd love to see the math.

The fact remains you cannot make your determinations from the recording. Even the shooter shifting position mere inches is going to change what's 'heard' at the microphone's location some 100-whatever yards away. He wasn't bench rest shooting off bags at an empty range after all. Plus all the other variables. Visuals, in person interviews, post-action measurements, and net results all appear to correlate. I must be missing how the audio does not correlate as well.

 

[easy rider]

I believe the argument is there was multiple shooters?

Yes, I understand that, and that can easily be stated rather than in a demeaning manner.

 

[Texas_Lone_Ranger]

Yes, I understand that, and that can easily be stated rather than in a demeaning manner.

I was not trying to be demeaning. My bad good Sir.

 

[DubiousDan]

"a huge number of theories, that were labeled conspiracy theories, turned out to be true"

Show us the facts to prove that claim is true.

" I also want to know where he learned to make IED's"

Have you not heard of the Internet?!?

Where might one find one of these "Internet" things? Asking for a friend.

 

[Renegade]

Where might one find one of these "Internet" things? Asking for a friend.

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[General Zod]

Where might one find one of these "Internet" things? Asking for a friend.

I undrestand it's a series of tubes. Al Gore invented it.

 

[General Zod]

" I also want to know where he learned to make IED's"

Have you not heard of the Internet?!?

No need for the internet (and the traces it keeps) when there are such things as used book stores, flea markets, or older relatives who were teenagers in the 70s, 80s or 90s.

 

[DubiousDan]

I undrestand it's a series of tubes. Al Gore invented it.

I woke up from a nap and the whole world has change.

 

[DubiousDan]

No need for the internet (and the traces it keeps) when there are such things as used book stores, flea markets, or older relatives who were teenagers in the 70s, 80s or 90s.

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Someone gave me a copy decades ago. I wonder if I still have it

 

[Otto_Mation]

"a huge number of theories, that were labeled conspiracy theories, turned out to be true"

Show us the facts to prove that claim is true.

" I also want to know where he learned to make IED's"

Have you not heard of the Internet?!?

Well we can start with the COVID lab leak, the Russia hoax and Hunter's laptop that were labeled conspiracy theory's for starters there are many more.

Secondly, I acknowledged that the internet would be a place to learn how to make IED's and that evidence might reside on his devices. So far that evidence has not been released. Having a remote transmitter for detonation, that was earlier reported, implies some level of sophistication. I think it is a fair question to ask if he had help or was being coached.

 

[Gordo]

No need for the internet (and the traces it keeps) when there are such things as used book stores, flea markets, or older relatives who were teenagers in the 70s, 80s or 90s.

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Never had one...
Heard bad things about some of the recipes not being too stable.
I only use government training manuals.

 

[Rafe]

No need for the internet (and the traces it keeps) when there are such things as used book stores, flea markets, or older relatives who were teenagers in the 70s, 80s or 90s.

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Broiled, baked, or boiled, why in the world would anyone want to cook an anarchist? Is that what happened to Biden's uncle? He was an anarchist?

 

[easy rider]

I was not trying to be demeaning. My bad good Sir.

I like the conversation and I'd hate to have it turn into pissing match. I certainly don't know enough about sound diagnosis to enter any expert opinion, but it is a learning experience.

 

[easy rider]

Someone gave me a copy decades ago. I wonder if I still have it

Do you remember which floorboard?

 

[General Zod]

So far that evidence has not been released.

Evidence rarely is. What will eventually be released are conclusions with references to selected bits of evidence, and general comments on other evidence. And then, a few years from now, maybe someone will get images and copies of all the evidence via a FOIA request. But for right now? They're not going to release any evidence, because every would-be Sherlock Holmes will be drawing all kinds of conclusions from it, most of which will be way off-base because of assumptions and lack of technical knowledge. Consider how many people are insisting that Trump should have a traumatic brain injury and a concussions because a .223 projectile passed within an inch of his head. Then multiply it by a million with every armchair "expert" out there whose forensic knowledge comes from reruns of CSI and NCIS New Orleans...

 

[Havok1]

"a huge number of theories, that were labeled conspiracy theories, turned out to be true"

Show us the facts to prove that claim is true.

" I also want to know where he learned to make IED's"

Have you not heard of the Internet?!?

Do you still wear your mask for our safety?

 

[easy rider]

Conspiracy theory has been weaponized. It used to be boiled down to "What if?", but now if you question the narrative you could possibly be labelled 'conspiracy theorist'.

I can name many recent events where conspiracy theory turned out to be true in some form or another. If you questioned the origin of covid-19, questioned efficacy of the C-19 vaccine, if you didn't believe the Russia, Russia, Russia narrative, if you believed Joe Biden was the original 'quid pro quo' as regards Ukraine, if you believed Bill Clinton had anything to do with Jeffery Epstein and so on.

Labelling someone a conspiracy theorist is now a means not to question the government. I remember days when that was the job of journalists, now, well.....

 

[benenglish]

Someone gave me a copy decades ago. I wonder if I still have it

I still have mine. I had to special order it from a mall bookstore because they said people complained if they put it on display. I was 15 or 16 and it felt like I was shoplifting a Playboy.

 

[Gordo]

So, any of you staying on top of the cell phone pings thing ?

Possible contact between DOJ, and or FBI and Crooks

And don't leave out the SS