Breaking news shots fired at trump rally

[cycleguy2300]

There's drones and then there's drones. Some can hover a hundred feet up for minutes. Others can loiter thousand of feet up for hours. Are all ya'll talking about the same kind or something in between.

I assume the hundreds of feet for 20-30 min kind

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[leVieux]

It may be the SS's circus, but the have themselves, the protectee, and tons of other jurisdictions who do things their way.

Some places are more used to having a major event with lots of security than others.

I'm sure the counter-snipers had a view, but you can't see everything all the time. Even if witnesses told a cop and he radios it with two or three iterations folks may not be sure if the guy was on the roof, was in the shade of the roof, fell from a roof...

Yes sniper should have been seen and dealt with quicker, and I don't think it is excusable to leave that roof un-guarded, but sometimes you have to take your chances and historically all the injurous attacks (I can think of) have been from very close range with the notable exception of JFK.

Prior to 9/11 hijackers hadn't turned the planes into weapons, they made a demand, the govt slow-rolled meeting them and eventually hostages got rescued or released... This longer ranged attack will certainly change the priority and emphasis on longer range threats.

All in all most people did what they were trained to do and the attack was stopped seconds after starting.

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THIS: ‘’ and I don't think it is excusable to leave that roof un-guarded’’

 

[Younggun]

What is the most a drone can fly time wise? Like a hour max or some shit?

Really depends on the drone. Batteries get heavy fast so adding a bigger battery doesn’t necessarily increase flight time. Most quadcopter style drones have a battery life of 20-30 minutes. Bigger cameras mean more weight, so that works against battery life as well. And eventually you need 6-8 blades which is what is often used for drone footage in high end documentaries carrying 8K cameras. Those might only make it 15 minutes or so from lift off to landing. But it really depends on how the available weight is split between battery capacity and camera. Weather plays a big role too. Battery goes faster if the drone is constantly fighting a 15mph wind.

Then there are drones designed more for loitering, think Reapers and other military drones. Can be electric or gas. But when people mention “drone” I figure they probably mean the multirotor electric variants ala DJI.

 

[Renegade]

Trump isn’t just a presumed nominee, he is a former POTUS and is entitled to protection.

FFS I even included the quote for reference: - we are not talking about Trump but why RFKjr is not getting protection.

toddnjoyce said:
I don’t know if Jr even has protection. For candidates, they have to be the presumed nominee of a party.

 

[Younggun]

There's drones and then there's drones. Some can hover a hundred feet up for minutes. Others can loiter thousand of feet up for hours. Are all ya'll talking about the same kind or something in between.

Should have put a reaper up there. Then when they saw the guy they could have been introduced to the AGM-114R-9X

 

[Tblack89]

Really depends on the drone. Batteries get heavy fast so adding a bigger battery doesn’t necessarily increase flight time. Most quadcopter style drones have a battery life of 20-30 minutes. Bigger cameras mean more weight, so that works against battery life as well. And eventually you need 6-8 blades which is what is often used for drone footage in high end documentaries carrying 8K cameras. Those might only make it 15 minutes or so from lift off to landing. But it really depends on how the available weight is split between battery capacity and camera. Weather plays a big role too. Battery goes faster if the drone is constantly fighting a 15mph wind.

Then there are drones designed more for loitering, think Reapers and other military drones. Can be electric or gas. But when people mention “drone” I figure they probably mean the multirotor electric variants ala DJI.

Makes sense, I figure the same on “drone” meaning so I was curious. Thank you.

 

[oldag]

I'm not doubting that things could have been better prepared. Trump has done how many outdoor rallies now? When things get redundant, people get complacent. Certainly indoors is much easier to control, but I understand Trump's liking the outdoors, but things like how much time to prepare and where it will be held come into play. I can't imagine what it would be like to be in charge of Trump's campaign rallies, but the logistics of it must be a nightmare.

I am shocked that drones have not been used at all outdoor events.

 

[oldag]

Absent a credible threat, there may be guidance based on case law that limits the use of surveillance technologies by the government at political rallies/events. UAV stuff that came after my time and I never touched candidate stuff due to limits on how DoD can be tasked to support USSS ops.


While a technicality, Trump is not President. What USSS can do with respect to thePresident is vastly expanded over what they can do for a candidate/former president, both of whom are essentially private citizens and not an officer/chief executive of the government. He is a former president running as a candidate for re-election and is the presumed nominee. Several different authorities at play here.

I am not talking a Predator UAV. A simple, small camera drone readily available to the public has enough capability to do this mission. Private citizens fly such drones all the time. Some of us may not be fond of that, but the law says we have no recourse. DOD not required.

Whether President or former President has no bearing on the fact this was not a success.

 

[Renegade]

Look!

Butler, PA is hiring fired Uvalde officers!

 

[easy rider]

The woulda, coulda, shoulda of this reminds me of immediately after 9/11. While I do believe there should have better preparedness as far as elevated positions around the event, but if you make everything bulletproof, what do you lose in freedom?

I certainly remember what it was like travelling before 9/11. I was a frequent flyer. Security measures from all the demands certainly didn't make flying more enjoyable, in fact it was humiliating.

 

[oldag]

What do you really know about drones? Aside from footage out of Ukraine or video from Reapers?

Have you ever looked at a crowd of people being filmed by a drone and tried to pick out anything specific? I like “drones”. I have one. I’m pissed at the regulation that the FAA has basically written in to law. But for monitoring a crowd you’re far more likely to have something to review after the fact than the ability to spot something and react quickly. It’s just very difficult to see that kind of detail over a broad area and if the camera is zoomed to see detail you lose situational awareness.

Using thermal on a drone to spot someone hiding out in the country side is much different than scanning a crowd and with thermal you also lose lots of detail in the image. Especially in an area where every threat will look very much like all the non-threats.

Idk, just feel like eyeballs are the best option. Given the reaction time, I feel like there’s a good chance the snipers may have spotted the shooter and started adjusting before the first shot was fired. Maybe the video showing them kill the fucker can confirm.

I was not talking about monitoring the crowds on the ground. I was talking about monitoring the rooftops. There were no crowds on any of the rooftops. Using a drone even with poor resolution is adequate for seeing a person on rooftop when no one is supposed to be on a rooftop.

 

[oldag]

What is the most a drone can fly time wise? Like a hour max or some shit?

How long was Trump's speech?

 

[Lead Belly]

Trump is very wealthy and should hire his own security to "augment" the protection he is provided.

Not sure if this pic was posted

 

[Gordo]

What is the most a drone can fly time wise? Like a hour max or some shit?

And a camera surely would have shown a man with a rifle laying on a white roof...

 

[ZX9RCAM]

How long was Trump's speech?

He was shot around the 1:13 mark I believe.

 

[Gordo]

Look!

Butler, PA is hiring fired Uvalde officers!

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On one hand, there are police officers that shoot first, and let God sort them out,
and at the other end of the spectrum, there are the one's that say "F... this, a dental plan isn't worth getting shot at." and "Where is the hand sanitizer?"

 

[Gordo]

If the reports that the rifle belonged to his father are accurate, then he would not have needed one

No silly, I was talking about him passing a background check to be taking a dirt nap...

 

[MTA]

EDIT. Not the rifle used


Idk if this official but this is supposedly the phagguettes rifle. Is that rear sight on backwards?

 

[Renegade]

And a camera surely would have shown a man with a rifle laying on a white roof...

So a friend in USSS (retired) got back to me.

Aerial assets are generally only used for POTUS.

That building rooftop should have had 2 local Police on it (and any others of similar threat level).

 

[Texasgordo]