Masochist.
Backup Gun?
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BIGPAPIGREG
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Dude......you gotta stop using them big words
qft!
Why am I not surprised?......
I'm not referencing myself!
Dead serious. I used to work at a gun range and have seen failures occur in the most well-respected, well-maintained weapons. In a combat situation I've trained myself to go for the "New York Reload", as nothing is quicker than grabbing another gun. This is the reason why I don't carry spare mags - they're no better than a paperweight if the only firearm that you brought to the firefight squibs on you or snaps a firing pin. Redundancy.. it's a good thing. About the knives? I've been training in martial arts since I was 7 - I like to keep at least one blade option at my top line (neck knife, if you've ever had a 6'5" 300 lb dude try to bear hug the life out of you from behind - this could be the only weapon you can reach) - mid line (pocket knife, belt knife - easy access in many positions) - and bottom line (boot knives - I'm 6'1 and nearing 185, if some college all-pro wrestler gets me into a pretzel because I wan't paying attention, sometimes all you can reach is your boot). I've extensively tested these methods in martial arts classes and with friends and believe me - it is very easy to be placed in a compromising situation where you may not be able to reach your primary weapons. Having a cache of them on your body in various locations and training with them can make all the difference in the world if you're attacked. I once had a dude that looked like Big Show (the wrestler - although I don't watch wrasslin') grab me in a bear hug from behind so hard that I almost blacked out instantly - I could make out that his friend was running up at me to sucker puch me, so instinctively I reached for my La Griffe and ripped about a 4" long, 1" deep wound in my hugger's forearm. This immediately made him let go and I was able to retreat to a safe position to face them on equal ground (will not go into the outcome of that fight here, it ended rather unexcitingly) Had I not had my neck knife that night, I may not be here typing this long-winded response. For the size and weight of a loaded magazine, I can carry another weapon.
LOL, no, though I would quickly shed any extra weight if I had to swim.
Two boot knives... I don't wear Nikes.. only rock Adidas.. and only when I'm working out or running to the corner store. I do have a modified backpack that fits either of my 7.5" AR pistols as well as 4 spare mags. I don't take that one out though. Sometimes in the summer and if I'm wearing athletic wear, I'll pack one in a racket bag and never get a second look.
J-frame as a primary? Never! I barely trust mine as a backup. Shot placement is key, but 5 shots... Better make them count. What if you're attacked by six assailants? Line two of them up? LOL
..and I carry two lights because I've had brand new Surefires give up the ghost at the most inopportune moments. Guns fail, lights fail, knives fail - if you relegate yourself to carrying only one of each, you're likely to end up in a situation where you wish you had brought a backup.
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My cousin is a deputy sheriff. He was involved in a shooting in which his arm was disabled and he could not reload his pistol. While he survived that situation, it could have easily gone a different way. Having a second firearm makes sense when you think about it from this perspective.
superchief
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I carry a G19 (with extra mag) in various waistband holsters. I carry a S&W 642 or Kahr PM9 for a backup on my ankle or pocket.
And a second arm (with hand). I never leave home without mine.
There is a technique where one can learn (again, training) to reload a revolver or SA with either hand just for this type of scenario. Back up firearms are unsafe. In a situation where lethal force is not justified, you now have two firearms to control. Learn to shoot with strong and support hands...learn to load with strong and support hands is the key. I and others teach both. A back up gun is a quick fix due to lack of training.
In the 60s, 4 state troopers in Newhall, California were basically assassinated and one of the contributing factors was their inability to reload with the support hand. Much training emanated from this event, and by the way, at least two had back up guns but could not retrieve them from their holsters with the support hand!!
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I carry 4 guns with the safety on and no rounds in the chamber. I'll have enough guns for any gun fight and no unintentional fire to worry about :thumbup:
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A back up gun is a quick fix due to lack of training.
In the 60s, 4 state troopers in Newhall, California were basically assassinated and one of the contributing factors was their inability to reload with the support hand. Much training emanated from this event, and by the way, at least two had back up guns but could not retrieve them from their holsters with the support hand!!
In the 60s, 4 state troopers in Newhall, California were basically assassinated and one of the contributing factors was their inability to reload with the support hand. Much training emanated from this event, and by the way, at least two had back up guns but could not retrieve them from their holsters with the support hand!!
