Active Shooter at Robb Elementary in Uvalde

[toddnjoyce]

This is getting crazier.
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If true, see post 1206. I’ve also said it before in this thread where I talk about the end game outcome of all this mess.

 

[Tex929rr]

I’ve been willing to entertain fog of war as a valid excuse for command fuckups up until today. Now that it is on record that suitable equipment, trained LEOs, and motivated personnel were on scene and challenging the decision to continue with the barricaded suspect tactics. Recognizing the continued threat to life by an unresolved active shooter, the IC should have allowed the tactical responders to execute against the suspect. Let me rephrase; once the tactical lead for the active shooter portion of the incident had the capability to prosecute the threat, his duty was to inform the IC and execute.

That transcripts indicate either responders or the active shooter response lead were deferring to somebody as the IC, probably in good faith but likely not knowing either a) nobody was in charge or b) Arredondo lacked the situational awareness to be the IC. Knowing what I know based on the reported evidence, there was no compelling reason to not execute against the active shooter far earlier in the event timeline. It may not have changed much of the outcome, but it sure would not have lead to the damage that has been done.

I fear the transcripts will end up telling a story of telephone between Arredondo and a bunch of other people repeating what he said.

I’ve seen an inexperienced fire officer get overwhelmed as an incident expands, but as long as they can check their ego and accept help it usually works out OK. It looks like Arredondo was in over his head and didn’t want to admit it. Sure, NIMS says you can’t take over command from the IC unwillingly but someone should have pulled him aside (maybe more than one someone) and convinced him to relinquish command. But I’ll bet lots of more senior officers on scene didn’t want to grab on to the tar baby that this had already turned into.

I’ve been trying to withhold judgement but it all looks bad.

 

[toddnjoyce]

…. But I’ll bet lots of more senior officers on scene didn’t want to grab on to the tar baby that this had already turned into.

Concur. The system works well when people exercise it often and in challenging and overwhelmingly stressful scenarios. Too bad most orgs don’t/can’t do that.

….I’ve been trying to withhold judgement but it all looks bad.

Me, too. I also try to caveat my statements with “if true” or “if the evidence supports”. History is replete with examples where fog of war/scenario confusion is the primary cause for failure and it is indeed rare when somebody can step in and snap victory from the jaws of defeat.

 

[jrbfishn]

Are people really that sinister to allow something like this to happen? I mean, how many mass shootings and bombing actors were on law enforcement and the ABC agencies radar, but yet the act still took place? If @1911'S 4 Me would have made that statement to me 10, 15 years ago, I’d say he was on crack. From what I’ve seen over the past 5-6 years, I 100% agree with his statement. I’m not at all excited for where this country is headed.

Was it staged? Doubtful.
Are they that sinister?
Would people in any level of government or LE allow this to happen if they knew in advance what he was plannin???
Think about the Summer of Love 2020....
Look me in the eye and tell me with a straight face the answer is "absolutely not".
If for no other reason;
You don't get famous for busting or prosecuting a conspiracy to commit crime. But you do for a mass murder. Especially at a school.

Is the left, or even some right of middle, sinister enough to take advantage of the shooter and let him act before they themselves act? And then take advantage of his actions to promote themselves or an agenda??
Been watching the news on the people involved and the politicians lately? There is your answer.

You're damn right they would. Without a second thought or remorse.

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[toddnjoyce]

Are people really that sinister to allow something like this to happen?

This guy would. Even took advantage of it after the fact.

 

[Big Dipper]

Does anyone know why ISDs have their own police departments?

Why isn’t this the responsibility of the local sheriff or PD?

Is this the case in any states other than Texas?

Is this just so cop wannabes can wear spiffy uniforms?

 

[Renegade]

Does anyone know why ISDs have their own police departments?

Why isn’t this the responsibility of the local sheriff or PD?

Is this the case in any states other than Texas?

Is this just so cop wannabes can wear spiffy uniforms?

for 100% dedication & under control of the ISD.

 

[General Zod]

Does anyone know why ISDs have their own police departments?

Why isn’t this the responsibility of the local sheriff or PD?

Is this the case in any states other than Texas?

Is this just so cop wannabes can wear spiffy uniforms

ISD police departments are police departments. With arrest powers. They're there so the local sheriff or city PD don't have to pull officers off of other duties to put them at the schools.

The ones that aren't actual police departments can't call themselves police - they're "campus security" and are generally unarmed.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I was intentionally being a dick one day on my motorcycle, in front of an ISD officer, knowing I was no where near any schools.

He pulled me over and informed me that he could write me a ticket for what I was doing.

He then let me go.

 

[mongoose]

I was intentionally being a dick one day on my motorcycle, in front of an ISD officer, knowing I was no where near any schools.

He pulled me over and informed me that he could write me a ticket for what I was doing.

He then let me go.

We have School District marked cars that regularity have cars pulled over issuing citations when they are nowhere near a school or school zone.

 

[oldag]

Some school districts reimburse the local PD for full time officers to be stationed at the school. This avoids the district having to set up its own PD.

 

[Sasquatch]

Some school districts reimburse the local PD for full time officers to be stationed at the school. This avoids the district having to set up its own PD.

That's what Magnolia does - our Constables provide LE services / deputies as SRO's to all the schools.

 

[popper]

Is this just so cop wannabes can wear spiffy uniforms?
Started that way, like the security at airports until Feds took over.
Latest I've heard is that maintenance of the school was crappy, some locks didn't work right but not repaired. About normal.
As far as the 'senate' gun bill, just another bunch of wasted $$ to bribe states into doing as Fed bids. Like covid $, just get spent on staff (new org) paychecks. Cornyn needs to be primary'd. McConnell does too but that's why he chose Cornyn.

 

[mongoose]

We have School District marked cars that regularity have cars pulled over issuing citations when they are nowhere near a school or school zone.

District cars also like to flaunt there status as LE and haul ass everywhere.

 

[Texasgordo]

I was intentionally being a dick one day

Isn't that a normal day

 

[seeker_two]

Some school districts reimburse the local PD for full time officers to be stationed at the school. This avoids the district having to set up its own PD.

Mexia ISD does this, too. Gets us one officer to cover four campuses and one admin building spread over a two-mile radius. Quicker to call 911 than to get that officer over the radio....

 

[Tex929rr]

We have a dedicated SRO from the sheriff’s office for every campus since we are in the unincorporated part of the county. Boerne ISD does the same except the campuses in the city have Boerne PD officers. School district pays most of the salary/benefits.

 

[roadkill]

UCISD just put Arredondo on admin leave. Earlier this week he was voted not to get an extended leave of absence by the city council cause he missed 3 consecutive meetings. So he’s considered to have vacated his seat. They are slowly throwing him under the bus and he’s gonna be the fall guy for everyone.


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[easy rider]

UCISD just put Arredondo on admin leave. Earlier this week he was voted not to get an extended leave of absence by the city council cause he missed 3 consecutive meetings. So he’s considered to have vacated his seat. They are slowly throwing him under the bus and he’s gonna be the fall guy for everyone.


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Good! Nobody more deserving.

 

[oldag]

UCISD just put Arredondo on admin leave. Earlier this week he was voted not to get an extended leave of absence by the city council cause he missed 3 consecutive meetings. So he’s considered to have vacated his seat. They are slowly throwing him under the bus and he’s gonna be the fall guy for everyone.


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From what we know so far, he threw himself under the bus.