Active Shooter at Robb Elementary in Uvalde

[ZX9RCAM]

Can't post the mp4 but saw one dated 4/9/2022, palm trees arounds so could be Mexico. Bad guy with a gun approaches group of moms with kids - assume a school entrance. Tries to (apparently) grab a kid or enter door. Blond gal pulls pistol and puts him down. Then kicks the pistol away and rolls bad guy on stomach.
Send her to our schools.

I did see a similar sounding video, I think she was a LEO in Mexico.
This was quite some time ago, though.

 

[popper]

LEO in Mexico or not, did the job as needed. and didn't take anything but a gun and desire to solve the problem - no BP vest, shield or backup guys. Triple tap did the job.

 

[easy rider]

The insanity of this whole situation is not just how badly the police handled this, but as a result we have a push for "Red Flag" laws. I understand that many wanted this killer to have his guns taken away before he could use them, but would that really have happened soon enough in this case? If this wasn't contrived, which I find very hard to believe it was, the timing was impeccable.

 

[Grumps21]

Whelp, looks like multiple media are on board with the narrative of the police doing nothing. This was just reported by WSJ, This isn't looking good for the officials.

Uvalde Classroom Door Wasn’t Locked, Texas Chief of Public Safety Says

The director of the Texas agency, Steven McCraw, said officers had nothing barring them from entering the classroom at Robb Elementary where a shooter was gunning down students and teachers.

www.wsj.com

 

[1911'S 4 Me]

Another government ploy. They knew about what he was going to do ahead of time.
Sacrificed 21 people to get attention for more gun takeaways.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Whelp, looks like multiple media are on board with the narrative of the police doing nothing. This was just reported by WSJ, This isn't looking good for the officials.

Uvalde Classroom Door Wasn’t Locked, Texas Chief of Public Safety Says

The director of the Texas agency, Steven McCraw, said officers had nothing barring them from entering the classroom at Robb Elementary where a shooter was gunning down students and teachers.

www.wsj.com

To be fair, today was the day DPS’ Chief McCraw appeared before the Senate special committee. It should be noted that McCraw has a significant conflict of interest as he (DPS) had the preponderance of LEOs on scene that day and at least one who is attributed as challenging the barricaded suspect tactics very early in the response and instead of doing something about, just washed his hands of the affair and decided to go find kids to evacuate.

I’ve said it before here, but I won’t be surprised to find some of the LEOs having to convince other LEOs not to shoot the BORTAC team before they could execute.

 

[Grumps21]

Another government ploy. They knew about what he was going to do ahead of time.
Sacrificed 21 people to get attention for more gun takeaways.

Are people really that sinister to allow something like this to happen? I mean, how many mass shootings and bombing actors were on law enforcement and the ABC agencies radar, but yet the act still took place? If @1911'S 4 Me would have made that statement to me 10, 15 years ago, I’d say he was on crack. From what I’ve seen over the past 5-6 years, I 100% agree with his statement. I’m not at all excited for where this country is headed.

 

[oldag]

To be fair, today was the day DPS’ Chief McCraw appeared before the Senate special committee. It should be noted that McCraw has a significant conflict of interest as he (DPS) had the preponderance of LEOs on scene that day and at least one who is attributed as challenging the barricaded suspect tactics very early in the response and instead of doing something about, just washed his hands of the affair and decided to go find kids to evacuate.

I’ve said it before here, but I won’t be surprised to find some of the LEOs having to convince other LEOs not to shoot the BORTAC team before they could execute.

So a DPS officer should have just kicked the Uvalde chief aside and taken over?

I'm okay with that, but would be a little surprised if protocol supported such.

 

[AKM47]

Are people really that sinister to allow something like this to happen? I mean, how many mass shootings and bombing actors were on law enforcement and the ABC agencies radar, but yet the act still took place? If @1911'S 4 Me would have made that statement to me 10, 15 years ago, I’d say he was on crack. From what I’ve seen over the past 5-6 years, I 100% agree with his statement. I’m not at all excited for where this country is headed.

Today's version of Operation Northwoods

 

[toddnjoyce]

So a DPS officer should have just kicked the Uvalde chief aside and taken over?

I'm okay with that, but would be a little surprised if protocol supported such.

NIMS protocol doesn’t support usurping command, but IC should have transferred to the most qualified, capable, and equipped at some point.

DPS’ position is that Arredondo was the IC by virtue of being their first (which is the way it works) but the ICs job isn’t tactical execution, it’s drawing el photo grande, triaging the various problems and directing problems get solved. Arredondo’s position is that he wasn’t IC, he was just a responder. That tells me either he wasn’t NIMS trained, he saw himself as the hero, or his lawyer has coached him to say that. I’m leaning towards the last option as a tactical responder shouldn’t be coordinating evacuations, tactical responses, and exercising command and control beyond their immediate team/scene. All of which Arredondo has said he was doing.

What is not in dispute is that both DPS and CBP have stated that inside the building an agency that was neither DPS nor CBP was in charge. As reported today, The excerpts of the body-camera footage presented Tuesday show authorities at the scene debated about whether or not to go into the classroom. At 11:53 someone asked whether there were still children inside the classroom, to which a DPS officer responded, “If there is, then they just need to go in.” At 11:56, a DPS special agent said, “If there’s kids in there, we need to go in there.” An unknown officer responded, “Whoever is in charge will determine that.”

Uvalde Classroom Door Wasn’t Locked, Texas Chief of Public Safety Says

The director of the Texas agency, Steven McCraw, said officers had nothing barring them from entering the classroom at Robb Elementary where a shooter was gunning down students and teachers.

www.wsj.com

The strategic corporal reference I made this morning alludes to the concept that too rigid a command and control structure hinders initiative and motivation. It’s an indictment of NIMS more than anything.

I’ve been willing to entertain fog of war as a valid excuse for command fuckups up until today. Now that it is on record that suitable equipment, trained LEOs, and motivated personnel were on scene and challenging the decision to continue with the barricaded suspect tactics. Recognizing the continued threat to life by an unresolved active shooter, the IC should have allowed the tactical responders to execute against the suspect. Let me rephrase; once the tactical lead for the active shooter portion of the incident had the capability to prosecute the threat, his duty was to inform the IC and execute.

That transcripts indicate either responders or the active shooter response lead were deferring to somebody as the IC, probably in good faith but likely not knowing either a) nobody was in charge or b) Arredondo lacked the situational awareness to be the IC. Knowing what I know based on the reported evidence, there was no compelling reason to not execute against the active shooter far earlier in the event timeline. It may not have changed much of the outcome, but it sure would not have lead to the damage that has been done.

I fear the transcripts will end up telling a story of telephone between Arredondo and a bunch of other people repeating what he said.

 

[vmax]

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[A1Oni]

Are people really that sinister to allow something like this to happen? I mean, how many mass shootings and bombing actors were on law enforcement and the ABC agencies radar, but yet the act still took place? If @1911'S 4 Me would have made that statement to me 10, 15 years ago, I’d say he was on crack. From what I’ve seen over the past 5-6 years, I 100% agree with his statement. I’m not at all excited for where this country is headed.

they allowed us to stay in the middle east for 20 years, for naught, why does this surprise you?

 

[Grumps21]

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yep, and for that the crazy libs want to infringe upon my rights

 

[vmax]

 

[vmax]

yep, and for that the crazy libs want to infringe upon my rights

They staged this SO they could infringe upon our rights

 

[easy rider]

I beginning to think we may find the truth of this incident hidden away with Jeffery Epstein's and Ghislaine Maxwell's files.

 

[General Zod]

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Remember also in his "oh heroic me" fluff interview in the Texas Tribune, he claimed he tried "key after key" on that door. Yet another self-aggrandizing lie.

 

[Vaquero]

Some men do their job. Even if it's a bad day.

Some don't. Even if it's a bad day.

 

[stdreb27]

This is getting crazier.
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[jrbfishn]

Looks like there are several need to be charged as accessories to murder or at the least with negligent homicide.

If I was a cop, or even not, if my wife was in thwre and wounded and others detained and disarmed me and held me from helping her, let alone those kids.....
They better be moving far, far away......

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