The Stupid Runs Deep In Pennsylvania Too, My Friends
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ekim,
NOPE. = I'm used to certain forum members who try ALINSKY's tactics to "stir the pot". - Doesn't fool and/or bother any member who is of reasonably normal IQ and/or me, either.
yours, satx
ekim,
NOPE. I'm not. - I just have a low tolerance for people who won't give straight answers to direct questions & always try to WIN every discussion, regardless of whether they know that they are in error or not. - The usual technique of such a person is either bullying, trying to keep from giving an honest answer and/or attempting to make the other person look clueless.
HONESTY is more important than WINNING.
(That's why I was relatively successful as an investigator, even with my numerous limitations as a LEO, as I have ZERO formal training as a psychologist.= Most of the time, even hardened criminals "come clean" when faced with their own duplicitydeceits, as most people don't enjoy feeling like a hypocrite.)
yours, satx
NOPE. I'm not. - I just have a low tolerance for people who won't give straight answers to direct questions & always try to WIN every discussion, regardless of whether they know that they are in error or not. - The usual technique of such a person is either bullying, trying to keep from giving an honest answer and/or attempting to make the other person look clueless.
HONESTY is more important than WINNING.
(That's why I was relatively successful as an investigator, even with my numerous limitations as a LEO, as I have ZERO formal training as a psychologist.= Most of the time, even hardened criminals "come clean" when faced with their own duplicitydeceits, as most people don't enjoy feeling like a hypocrite.)
yours, satx
THIS is what I wrote in response to your question of what is unethical - "As for what is unethical, I think we need to keep this about pets because that is what the story is about. I already gave 3 examples - keeping a dog outside in the heat/cold all day and not providing suitable shelter depending on the breed, leaving a dog tied up 24/7, or leaving a pet in a hot car for an extended period of time." I did preface it by saying "pets" and not "animals" since the story dealt with pets. Again, whatever. Say what you like but it doesn't make it right.
Good for you but I never read Alinsky's book and I have no idea what you are talking about. Splain it to me, what tactic am I using from a book I never read? From your earlier response to ZRX, it sounded like he touched a nerve with you so go ahead and tell us your story on why you are so passionate about animals having no rights. It is a safe space, well kinda.
Ok, I'll play, how am I being dishonest? It appears the therapist is in so maybe you can get me to come clean from my deceits. Psst, we are all hypocrites about something. I wish you were an investigator in our office so you could have got the criminals we interviewed to come clean.
I do like winning though but I am doing it by bullying and I attempt not to give honest answers?? Well at least you haven't called me a mall cop yet so there is that. In full disclosure, if you were on fire, I might decide not to piss on you. I know.......to the spreadsheet I go.
ekim,
NOPE. I found that honesty was better than lying to or bullying suspects, as I'm not really clever enough to be a convincing liar nor intimidating enough to bully a criminal.- In fact, I often just placed a 8.5x11" yellow pad & a couple of pencils in front of them & said, "OK. Why not write down what happened, so we'll all know the facts? Just be accurate & complete. Would you like coffee or a soda??" ====> LESS really more in many cases, as "the fish will usually hook itself" if given the right bait/presentation. -All of our agency's interview rooms are wired for video & sound, too.
(I also, often gave NO Miranda warning to many suspects, as I wasn't asking them any questions. = IF you have caught them "dirty", what questions do you really NEED to ask??)
For example, IF the criminal is caught inside of a locked building at night, he's a burglar & is "going down".
yours, satx
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Wait, what? I thought we were talking about a stupid PA law and how to treat pets? I didn't know we moved to how to interview suspects? Just like we are all hypocrites about something, we all lie about something too. I never said I didn't do any of those things but I will say that was usually NOT the way to go to get a confession. The truth will set you free. Geez don't you watch any of the shows on ID channel? Do the interviewers typically lie and bully the suspect? Badger is really a unspecific term. Start a thread on how you think LE interviews people and I'll be glad to give you the mall cop perspective.
Was there some online happy hour you'll forgot to tell me about? You'll seem to have gone off the deep end. I apologize online for my bullying and Alinsky like tactics. Mea Culpa (that is Latin by the way)
sharkey,
I was answering ekim's question, as best I could.
That has ZILCH to do with what you/I were discussing.- Different subject altogether,
(I can think on 2 things at once & sometimes even keep up with 2 discussions, if they aren't too complex.)
yours, satx
C_Hallbert
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I advise Mirandizing because most criminals have a body of work in their employment history, and in the event that after the arrest or during transport they unwittingly divulge incriminating information related to other crimes, it would be advantageous if it was admissible as evidence.....
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