Ukraine War and Politics

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[cycleguy2300]

Read the disclaimer before getting panties in a wad.
It's still funny

Its still funny

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[Johnny Diamond]

Ryan McBeth was completely correct in his discussion about Patriot missles and the funds that pay for them. You presented no data to contradict him


The scope of the conversation was was about Patriot missles, not other funding.

As you can see the largest portion of funding for Ukraine is weapons and equipment (Patriots, javelins etc) from our stocks that are approaching expiration.

And for those that will knee-jerk and say "Europe's problem, they should deal with it" Europe has been reaching much deeper into their pockets that we have.

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Remember the parable of the widow and the mite? Libtards would say yeah so, it's just a mite....while the point was it was everything the widow had.


No matter how much European nations give, proportionally some will always say so.... is that all?

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[BigRed]

According to Brave's AI summarizer:

Summarizer

Since February 2022, the United States has allocated $113.4 billion in emergency funding to support Ukraine in wartime.1 The aid has been divided into six categories: support of US military forces, shipment of US equipment to Ukraine, weapons procurement and services for the Ukrainian armed forces, humanitarian relief, economic support to the Ukrainian government, and US government agencies.0 Congress has given the Biden administration considerable flexibility in when and how it can spend the $113 billion that has been allocated. The US has spent nearly $44 billion on military aid for Ukraine, according to the State Department.2 The Kiel Institute for the World Economy reports that the US had committed nearly $80 billion in aid to Ukraine before Mr. Biden's pledge in Ukraine this week.3

It's quoted sources, dated variously in 2023, are:
breakingdefense.com
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usafacts.org
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nytimes.com
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bbc.com
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You're welcome.

Thanks.

It's about $113,400,000,000 too much.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Remember the parable of the widow and the mite? Libtards would say yeah so, it's just a mite....while the point was it was everything the widow had.


No matter how much European nations give, proportionally some will always say so.... is that all?

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We give the crumbs from our table, literally the scraps to Ukraine.

0.32% of our GDB, which in dollars is more tha any single government.

Jordan, Afganistan, Ethiopia, Egypt, Yemen... right there is about 8-billion that should be shifted to Ukraine where it is actually helping the cause of freedom, or just stopped.

GDP is the best way to quantity the value of the aid and its probably fair to assume the correlation between %gdp in aid to Ukraine and has to do with their experience of soviet control and understanding that the bear will not stop long after Ukraine and they know they will be in the jaws next.

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[leVieux]

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”Council on Foreign Relations”

Tells me all I need to know to decide which side I should be on.

This is the ultra-malignant “CFR” !

As in Zbigniew Brzezenski and “Henry” Kissinger !

leVieux

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[MountainGirl]

We give the crumbs from our table, literally the scraps to Ukraine.

Except they're not crumbs.
They're hard earned dollars scraped off our backs.

Whether served domestically or globally,
there's not much left of us to fund a feast.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Except they're not crumbs.
They're hard earned dollars scraped off our backs.

Whether served domestically or globally,
there's not much left of us to fund a feast.

.32% of our gpd... 1/3 of 1%

If we think of GDP as family income, and you make $100,000, it would be $26/month spent on Ukraine. It is scraps and crumbs especially compared to our other expenditures...

Just like I spend my family's income on our family I believe our taxes should be spent on us too. HOWEVER, there are rare times when there are exceptions. If one neighbor maliciously burns another neighbors house down, then yes MY family's money will go towards another family's needs... or if one nation with a history of oppression invades its peaceable neighbor who is attempting to become a truly free nation governed by the rule of law, again its a rare exception where I believe our nation's funds can and should be used to help.

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[cycleguy2300]

lol. It seems you just want to argue with me more than anything. You didnt provide data, therefore im not saying your data is wrong. I said the guy on Instagram that you shared was wrong. And he is. You also did not even say I was wrong. You just said I didn’t post data. We all know that what I said is correct.

Always moving the goalposts



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[cycleguy2300]

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[Havok1]

Ryan McBeth was completely correct in his discussion about Patriot missles and the funds that pay for them. You presented no data to contradict him


The scope of the conversation was was about Patriot missles, not other funding.

As you can see the largest portion of funding for Ukraine is weapons and equipment (Patriots, javelins etc) from our stocks that are approaching expiration.

And for those that will knee-jerk and say "Europe's problem, they should deal with it" Europe has been reaching much deeper into their pockets that we have.

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here we have a graph that includes funding that we send to Ukraine to pay the salaries and pensions of the ukranian government. See? I knew you weren’t that clueless. He did not specify that just the Patriot missiles are being taken out of service and being sent to Ukraine. Although that may be correct, when he started off his little speech saying “I’m going to say this louder for those in the back” and then proceeded to say how we aren’t just pushing pallets of cash out of the back of c17s, the accuracy of that statement lies in the fact that we are likely sending that money electronically, not on c17s. And when he attempts to talk about “what happens when we authorize money for Ukraine ” he talks about the process, seemingly clueless of the fact that we are, and have been using our tax dollars to purchase brand new equipment for Ukraine.

Always moving the goalposts



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the goal posts aren’t moving. You’re just not as good as you think you are.

 

[cycleguy2300]

here we have a graph that includes funding that we send to Ukraine to pay the salaries and pensions of the ukranian government. See? I knew you weren’t that clueless. He did not specify that just the Patriot missiles are being taken out of service and being sent to Ukraine. Although that may be correct, when he started off his little speech saying “I’m going to say this louder for those in the back” and then proceeded to say how we aren’t just pushing pallets of cash out of the back of c17s, the accuracy of that statement lies in the fact that we are likely sending that money electronically, not on c17s. And when he attempts to talk about “what happens when we authorize money for Ukraine ” he talks about the process, seemingly clueless of the fact that we are, and have been using our tax dollars to purchase brand new equipment for Ukraine.




the goal posts aren’t moving. You’re just not as good as you think you are.

You could be right, but without data, your statements are as useless as a third tit...



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[Havok1]

You could be right, but without data, your statements are as useless as a third tit...



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you posted the graph. if you understand the information on it then you know that I’m right.


But maybe I am wrong, and the information on the state department, and DOD websites, is all just Russian propaganda. Of course that would also mean that your graph is wrong if that were the case.

 

[cycleguy2300]

you posted the graph. if you understand the information on it then you know that I’m right.


But maybe I am wrong, and the information on the state department, and DOD websites, is all just Russian propaganda. Of course that would also mean that your graph is wrong if that were the case.

I'm not in disagreement that some of the non-military aid has gone towards making sure the government and hospitals run day-to-day. Keeping basic governmental infrastructure running is as important as making sure troops get fed, paid, trained and equipped.

Glad you were able to understand the pictures like I hoped.

You still haven't presented any data to show McBeth was incorrect. He was talking specifically about Patriot missiles and if you need more pictures to understand that I can borrow my kids crayons...

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[cycleguy2300]

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[glenbo]

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[Johnny Diamond]

Hahaha

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[cycleguy2300]

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[Havok1]

I'm not in disagreement that some of the non-military aid has gone towards making sure the government and hospitals run day-to-day. Keeping basic governmental infrastructure running is as important as making sure troops get fed, paid, trained and equipped.

Glad you were able to understand the pictures like I hoped.

You still haven't presented any data to show McBeth was incorrect. He was talking specifically about Patriot missiles and if you need more pictures to understand that I can borrow my kids crayons...

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YOU presented the data that showed he was incorrect on the money, and at best was misleading about the military aid funding. Judging by the comments, most of the people who saw the video knew better.

Paying out pensions is not required to keep the government and hospitals running day to day. And whether or not the money we are spending to keep the government running day to day is being put to good use is purely a matter of opinion.

 

[Johnny Diamond]

I don't know that anyone can justify paying another nation's retirement funds, other than the current crop of one worlder's otherwise known as crazed American Socialist's aka the modern Democrat, as to corruption in the Ukrainian government, top down I unabashedly agree. Further I agree that the American populace is being raped economically as well as emotionally. Our borders have been destroyed from/by Within. However Ukraine should be supported somehow!

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