Somebody needs prison time
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El Paso is right where it wants to be. The rest of the state is secluded, from El Paso.It is a little different when just one little part of Texas has these issues and when most of the state has them.
El Paso is a secluded town far away from most Texans that is closer to California than to Houston.
So believe me if we get these power issues fixed they won’t stretch all of the way to El Paso. But maybe you can get some help from California. Or Mexico
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Let not your heart be troubled! Gov. Abbott has called an emergency meeting about the failure to plan for the power grid. Said emergency meeting will convene in[drum roll please....] 9 days. How's that for "affirmative ACTION"???????????
What does that have to do with affirmative action?
Hey I really don’t have any thing against El Paso either. Just a little cranky from electricity being on here for only 3 to 6 hours a day for the last couple of days and the hot water pipes freezing even though I had it dripping at all of the faucets.
But I went to the store and got a case of beer and it is getting better already.
You may be right. Got this in an email today. I don't know if the numbers are true, but dayum!Some people ought to go to jail over this.
The electric bills we pay are so high and we have infrastructure that can't this? Incompetent bass turds. Where the hell has the money been going...
certainly NOT reinvested into more modern and stronger equipment. It's criminal. Heads should roll... (maybe literally).
How about this ...
Can anyone justify budgeting for a household generator to have power available in times like these?
If not, think of the cost to have stand by power plants at the ready for such an occasion.
20 years ago, the norm was to have ERCOT maintain a 10% rolling reserve ... meaning 10% capacity available within 12 hours.
As new and more stringent EPA rules began being imposed, coal fired base load plants were shut down because they just couldn't burn lignite and meet those standards. So the rolling reserve dropped to 5% and then 4% and now less than 2%.
For the first time, taps were put in place to buy and sell power to and from ERCOT. But when the spot price spikes at 10s of thousands of dollars per megawatt hour (because Louisiana and Oklahoma are in the same power struggle) it becomes too costly to purchase. If gasoline spiked to $10/gallon due to demand, would you pay it or stay home?
Big power plants like the nukes, Comanche Peak or South Texas, operate in the red 10 or11 months out of the year. They are profitable for only a few days/weeks in a given year. And they live or die from the extremes. we had a couple mild winters and short summers and I was laid off because of it.
So given that financial forecast, who in their right mind would invest 100s of millions (or 10s of billions for a nuke) to build new plants in order to curtail this once in a 50 year perfect storm?
I have friends that own small data centers in the metroplex. They were told it would cost them $300,000 to maintain their current demand for power. So they started their backup generators and paying spot price for diesel ... if they can get it.
It's a mess ( a couple days a year once every 50 years) with no easy, cheap or quick solution.
Can anyone justify budgeting for a household generator to have power available in times like these?
If not, think of the cost to have stand by power plants at the ready for such an occasion.
20 years ago, the norm was to have ERCOT maintain a 10% rolling reserve ... meaning 10% capacity available within 12 hours.
As new and more stringent EPA rules began being imposed, coal fired base load plants were shut down because they just couldn't burn lignite and meet those standards. So the rolling reserve dropped to 5% and then 4% and now less than 2%.
For the first time, taps were put in place to buy and sell power to and from ERCOT. But when the spot price spikes at 10s of thousands of dollars per megawatt hour (because Louisiana and Oklahoma are in the same power struggle) it becomes too costly to purchase. If gasoline spiked to $10/gallon due to demand, would you pay it or stay home?
Big power plants like the nukes, Comanche Peak or South Texas, operate in the red 10 or11 months out of the year. They are profitable for only a few days/weeks in a given year. And they live or die from the extremes. we had a couple mild winters and short summers and I was laid off because of it.
So given that financial forecast, who in their right mind would invest 100s of millions (or 10s of billions for a nuke) to build new plants in order to curtail this once in a 50 year perfect storm?
I have friends that own small data centers in the metroplex. They were told it would cost them $300,000 to maintain their current demand for power. So they started their backup generators and paying spot price for diesel ... if they can get it.
It's a mess ( a couple days a year once every 50 years) with no easy, cheap or quick solution.
We justified backup whole home generator a long time ago, even though we have yet to need it, because the ROI was almost 100% on home resale.
When .gov regulates a public good (utilities, for example) .gov has an ethical responsibility to ensure those public goods are delivered. The problem is that ain’t cheap and every politician know what happened when Bush I reneged on the no new taxes thing.
Everybody expects public infrastructure to be maintained but elects politicians to do other, more sexy shît of whatever floats your boat than invest in infrastructure such as roads, bridges, and utilities.
Make no bones about it, ERCOT’s #1 job is to make sure power utilities make money and that means excess reserve (and redundant delivery) is off the table, because there is no ROI in it. Wind and Solar ROI is in .gov subsidies, regardless of demand for that capacity. But it wind and solar can’t be a baseload. That can only come from traditional coal/gas/nuke sources that nobody wants to invest in.
When .gov regulates a public good (utilities, for example) .gov has an ethical responsibility to ensure those public goods are delivered. The problem is that ain’t cheap and every politician know what happened when Bush I reneged on the no new taxes thing.
Everybody expects public infrastructure to be maintained but elects politicians to do other, more sexy shît of whatever floats your boat than invest in infrastructure such as roads, bridges, and utilities.
Make no bones about it, ERCOT’s #1 job is to make sure power utilities make money and that means excess reserve (and redundant delivery) is off the table, because there is no ROI in it. Wind and Solar ROI is in .gov subsidies, regardless of demand for that capacity. But it wind and solar can’t be a baseload. That can only come from traditional coal/gas/nuke sources that nobody wants to invest in.
sidebite252
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Maybe ERCOT needs competition? Is that even possible?
FIFY.
Texas_Lone_Ranger
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Texas is not the only State running Blackouts, 15 other States currently are having to do it as well as issues with the Grid. I think this really bad for the energy sector, green tards, and the current administration. IMO
The fact that the politicians accept rolling blackouts as a suitable strategy to provide electricity is very, very fûcked up.
One of the few things that almost every single voter relies upon is electricity. Voters may be too stupid to understand .gov is responsible for delivering public goods, but that doesn’t alleviate the .gov responsibility to do so.
But most of the long-term outages aren’t rolling blackouts, they’ve been continuous outages. Hell, the mis-direction the PR teams have been giving even caught me in this train of thought.
Fûck theml; every last one of them that has called a continuous outage a rolling blackout, fûck then all.
And their moms too, just for good measure.
One of the few things that almost every single voter relies upon is electricity. Voters may be too stupid to understand .gov is responsible for delivering public goods, but that doesn’t alleviate the .gov responsibility to do so.
But most of the long-term outages aren’t rolling blackouts, they’ve been continuous outages. Hell, the mis-direction the PR teams have been giving even caught me in this train of thought.
Fûck theml; every last one of them that has called a continuous outage a rolling blackout, fûck then all.
And their moms too, just for good measure.
15 years ago, when wind started to get bigger in Texas I watched as WTU scrapped several perfectly good natural gas fired steam turbine plants.. tore the fuckers down and hauled them off for scrap.
Because natural gas was too costly then and wind had all the subsidies.
Fast forward 15 years of fracking and you can’t give natural gas away.. we are exporting the hell out of it to other countries and nobody is replacing these type of plants
Just more wind turbines.
The wind turbines failed us just when we needed them the most. Out of about 25000 MW capacity, they were producing about 5000 MW ..
This left ERCOT in a bad spot, rolling blackouts are the only way to keep from burning the grid to the ground since we are running at times, less than 1000 MW differnce between deman and production..
so, in technical terms...we’re fucked.
Because natural gas was too costly then and wind had all the subsidies.
Fast forward 15 years of fracking and you can’t give natural gas away.. we are exporting the hell out of it to other countries and nobody is replacing these type of plants
Just more wind turbines.
The wind turbines failed us just when we needed them the most. Out of about 25000 MW capacity, they were producing about 5000 MW ..
This left ERCOT in a bad spot, rolling blackouts are the only way to keep from burning the grid to the ground since we are running at times, less than 1000 MW differnce between deman and production..
so, in technical terms...we’re fucked.
