Pistol Brace Amnesty/Registration

[Darkpriest667]

This may be helpful for some folks that have questions on the Brace Rule.

perfect, take the brace off and wait for the SCOTUS to ream the ATF.

 

[TheMailMan]

perfect, take the brace off and wait for the SCOTUS to ream the ATF.

I doubt that's going to happen.

If any case is brought to cert I'm betting that SCOTUS will even pick it up.

 

[Otto_Mation]

I doubt that's going to happen.

If any case is brought to cert I'm betting that SCOTUS will even pick it up.

Yep. It's a $200 bet for anyone who wants to go that route. Not a huge risk.

 

[oldag]

I doubt that's going to happen.

If any case is brought to cert I'm betting that SCOTUS will even pick it up.

I'm still holding out hope.

 

[toddnjoyce]

So, simply removing the brace makes it legal?

Sure have heard different early on.

You will not have an answer to that question until after FATD makes it’s first classification using the new definition of a rifle or the first conviction occurs.

 

[studenygreg]

I'm still holding out. Removed my braces. Hoping for the best.

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[Bozz10mm]

So, simply removing the brace makes it legal?

Sure have heard different early on.

I seriously doubt the ATF will be going door to door looking for braces attached to pistols. The only time you will be exposed to possible ATF intervention is if you are at a public range. Just don't have the brace in your trunk or range bag. At home, store it away from the pistol, like in the attic. If by some chance they do show up at your door, do not allow them entry without a warrant.

AR pistols have not been deemed illegal, braces have not been deemed illegal. Just the combination of the two together makes the firearm illegal.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I understand that completely.

It's just some say it's legal "without a brace", and others disagree.

Not legal at all.

 

[vmax]

I seriously doubt the ATF will be going door to door looking for braces attached to pistols.

They are going to people's houses and businesses right now looking for FRTs. Plenty of video proof of that.
I would not put anything last them.

 

[vmax]

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[toddnjoyce]

I understand that completely.

It's just some say it's legal "without a brace", and others disagree.

Not legal at all.

Some people don’t understand the rule has nothing to do with a pistol or an accessory.

The rule is about what a rifle is. A rifle is now

A weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder, and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.

(1) For purposes of this definition, the term “designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder” shall include a weapon that is equipped with an accessory, component, or other rearward attachment that provides surface area that allows the weapon to be fired from the shoulder,

If the weapon is equipped with an
*Accessory,
*Component,
or Other Rearward Attachment

Then the six criteria, in whole, shall (are legally required to) be considered for ATF to determine of the weapon/firearm is a rifle.

What ATF has said is that if the weapon has something extending from the rear of the receiver AND it can be shouldered, the weapon is a rifle and ATF can then go down the rabbit hole of determining if NFA rules apply.

So, how does ATF get jurisdiction to make this decision?

1. A manufacturer submits a copy to FATD or determination.
2. A manufacturer voluntarily determines the weapon will be a Title II firearm and applies to manufacture the weapons.
3. There is federal jurisdiction in a case and ATF has jurisdiction to examine and determine if a weapon is/is subject to Title II.

Right now, everybody who is getting their ‘free’ receipt for a stamp that’s not a stamp is following path 2 and voluntarily declaring to ATF their weapon meets the six criteria and is, in fact, a Title II weapon.


Good on them; shit on them for providing ATF with a database of information FATD can use to determine for paths 1 and 3 if similar weapons are, indeed, a Title II weapon. ATF is literally using gun owners against the entire gun community.

Burning in hell is not nearly good enough an outcome for those evil fuckstains.

 

[majormadmax]

 

[smittyb]

Some people don’t understand the rule has nothing to do with a pistol or an accessory.

The rule is about what a rifle is. A rifle is now


If the weapon is equipped with an
*Accessory,
*Component,
or Other Rearward Attachment

Then the six criteria, in whole, shall (are legally required to) be considered for ATF to determine of the weapon/firearm is a rifle.

What ATF has said is that if the weapon has something extending from the rear of the receiver AND it can be shouldered, the weapon is a rifle and ATF can then go down the rabbit hole of determining if NFA rules apply.

So, how does ATF get jurisdiction to make this decision?

1. A manufacturer submits a copy to FATD or determination.
2. A manufacturer voluntarily determines the weapon will be a Title II firearm and applies to manufacture the weapons.
3. There is federal jurisdiction in a case and ATF has jurisdiction to examine and determine if a weapon is/is subject to Title II.

Right now, everybody who is getting their ‘free’ receipt for a stamp that’s not a stamp is following path 2 and voluntarily declaring to ATF their weapon meets the six criteria and is, in fact, a Title II weapon.


Good on them; shit on them for providing ATF with a database of information FATD can use to determine for paths 1 and 3 if similar weapons are, indeed, a Title II weapon. ATF is literally using gun owners against the entire gun community.

Burning in hell is not nearly good enough an outcome for those evil fuckstains.

Well, I do declare.
I could not have said it any better myself.

 

[TheMailMan]

You will not have an answer to that question until after FATD makes it’s first classification using the new definition of a rifle or the first conviction occurs.

As per the FAQ, removing the brace permanently will suffice. I'd make damn sure the brace is either gone or unable to be reattached.

 

[TheMailMan]

I understand that completely.

It's just some say it's legal "without a brace", and others disagree.

Not legal at all.

Read the damn FAQ
Right from the ATF.

 

[TheMailMan]

Some people don’t understand the rule has nothing to do with a pistol or an accessory.

The rule is about what a rifle is. A rifle is now


If the weapon is equipped with an
*Accessory,
*Component,
or Other Rearward Attachment

Then the six criteria, in whole, shall (are legally required to) be considered for ATF to determine of the weapon/firearm is a rifle.

What ATF has said is that if the weapon has something extending from the rear of the receiver AND it can be shouldered, the weapon is a rifle and ATF can then go down the rabbit hole of determining if NFA rules apply.

So, how does ATF get jurisdiction to make this decision?

1. A manufacturer submits a copy to FATD or determination.
2. A manufacturer voluntarily determines the weapon will be a Title II firearm and applies to manufacture the weapons.
3. There is federal jurisdiction in a case and ATF has jurisdiction to examine and determine if a weapon is/is subject to Title II.

Right now, everybody who is getting their ‘free’ receipt for a stamp that’s not a stamp is following path 2 and voluntarily declaring to ATF their weapon meets the six criteria and is, in fact, a Title II weapon.


Good on them; shit on them for providing ATF with a database of information FATD can use to determine for paths 1 and 3 if similar weapons are, indeed, a Title II weapon. ATF is literally using gun owners against the entire gun community.

Burning in hell is not nearly good enough an outcome for those evil fuckstains.

Bullshit. We are/did no such thing. We are registering a firearm as an SBR. No pictures are required. It's the same way SBRs have been Form 1ed for decades.

You're so full of shit it's flowing out of your mouth. You're saying things that are simply NOT FUCKING TRUE.

 

[benenglish]

 

[majormadmax]

Felony charges loom for gun brace owners

Missouri gun brace owners have until the end of May 2023 to destroy their gun braces or face felony charges that include up to 10 years in prison and large fines.

www.columbiamissourian.com

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I missed the "other" options....

 

[oldag]

Read the damn FAQ
Right from the ATF.

And you trust the ATF FAQ's??