Pistol Brace Amnesty/Registration

[toddnjoyce]

Can you imagine if you had to pay a tax to exercise your other Constitutional Rights.

Ohhh... you want to cus to exercise your freedom of speech? Pay a $200 tax stamp


You want to be a Catholic.... pay a $200 tax stamp.


It's all an infringement on your rights & complying keeps them going after more & more of your rights.

Technically, under half the population pay federal taxes that fund the federal executive and judicial branches, without which we could not exercise our Fourth thru Eighth Amendment rights.

 

[BigRed]

What's dickish about it? This rule waseffective on January 31, 2023, the date it was published in the Federal Register and provided for a 120-day period to comply by whatever means was chosen. It's about the only thing ATF did not **** up in interpreting.
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This is where I think King George screwed up in April of 1775. He should have published his intent in a "federal register".

 

[BigRed]

Technically, under half the population pay federal taxes that fund the federal executive and judicial branches, without which we could not exercise our Fourth thru Eighth Amendment rights.

Your rights are dependent upon state?

 

[EZ-E]

Technically, under half the population pay federal taxes that fund the federal executive and judicial branches, without which we could not exercise our Fourth thru Eighth Amendment rights.

I wish that were true. If SCOTUS don't want to hear the case they can throw it out. The system does more bad than good sometimes.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Your rights are dependent upon state?

No, exercising my 4A thru 8A rights requires a government. I pay a federal income tax that funds a government that requires me to have enumerated rights to protect me from that government abusing it’s near unlimited power. The federal government can compel me to do many things, but it cannot compel me to incriminate myself, though it will try.

Without that tax revenue, the federal government would not have the funds necessary for a sprawling machine with the authority to investigate me for anything it wants, take my words out of context, and imprison me.

 

[TheMailMan]

What happens if it gets lost in the mail?

First, how would you know?

Second, almost every CLEO I know of just shreds them.

You can send them to the Attorney General, the head of DPS, the head of the Texas Rangers, the county sheriff, or the police chief.

 

[TheMailMan]

Pretty much the same here. I used an online website for the passport style photo. 5 days left if you want to use Silencer Shop. I used the ATF website.

I just stood against a white wall and took a selfie. The selfie camera on my phone is pretty damn good.

I've used my phone to take headshots of the six people I've helped here at the house, everyone else just took a picture with their phone.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

First, how would you know?

Second, almost every CLEO I know of just shreds them.

You can send them to the Attorney General, the head of DPS, the head of the Texas Rangers, the county sheriff, or the police chief.

See post #1112.

 

[gll]

Your thoughts @toddnjoyce?

 

[toddnjoyce]

Your thoughts @toddnjoyce?

Meh, fear mongering. Feds have to have jurisdiction before they can charge and in most defensive encounters they won’t.

 

[Bozz10mm]

Your thoughts @toddnjoyce?

Color me skeptical. Perhaps he means an unregistered NFA weapon. I cannot believe there is a mandatory 10 year sentence for using a registered NFA item in self defense. Silencers too.....really? Those guys that use the Glock switches... I guess they just throw away the key.

 

[TheMailMan]

Your thoughts @toddnjoyce?

The babbling of an idiot playing "what if" for clicks.

 

[MountainGirl]

Meh, fear mongering. Feds have to have jurisdiction before they can charge and in most defensive encounters they won’t.

Unless it's politically useful; inevitably someone's 'civil rights' can be found to have been violated. JMO.

(Agree re fear mongering vid)

 

[smittyb]

 

[PinnedandRecessed]

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[candcallen]

Brace shamers

 

[Otto_Mation]

This may be helpful for some folks that have questions on the Brace Rule.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

So, simply removing the brace makes it legal?

Sure have heard different early on.

 

[Otto_Mation]

So, simply removing the brace makes it legal?

Sure have heard different early on.

Yes. What is confusing is that ATF testified to Congress that the brace could be removed and stored in another location which conflicts slighty from the FAQ which states that the brace should be altered so that it can't be reattached. The alteration does not make sense because the brace is not illegal to own and is not regulated. Either way removing the brace makes it a legal pistol. From the FAQ.

What are the compliance options for Government entities in possession of firearms equipped with a “stabilizing brace,” which is an SBR, after the effective date of the final rule?

• Submit through eForms system an Application to Make and Register a Firearm, ATF Form 1 (E-Form 1) before May 31, 2023.

• A government entity may submit through the eForms system an Application for Registration of Firearms acquired by Certain Governmental Entities, Form 10 before May 31, 2023.

• Permanently remove or alter the “stabilizing brace” so that is cannot be reattached and thereby removing it from regulation as a “firearm” under the NFA.

• Remove the short barrel and attach a 16-inch or longer rifled barrel to the firearm thus removing it from the provisions of the NFA. • Turn the firearm into your local ATF office.

• Destroy the firearm. For more information go to How to Properly Destroy Firearms | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (atf.gov).

 

[TheMailMan]

So, simply removing the brace makes it legal?

Sure have heard different early on.

Final Rule 2021R-08F | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Final Rule 2021R-08F Frequently Asked Questions and SBA Compliance Guide

www.atf.gov

This is the problem. Too many people listened to fear mongers instead of actually reading the rule. This very question is addressed in the final rule.