For about the fourth time, is it any skin off your nose if someone else open carries?
Why are you & Renegade so antagonistic regarding open carry? Do either or both of you really believe that your way is the best and should be the only way?
Ok Austin, can we get some good gun laws now?
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For about the fourth time, is it any skin off your nose if someone else open carries?
Why are you & Renegade so antagonistic regarding open carry? Do either or both of you really believe that your way is the best and should be the only way?
Yeah, throw a Ar-15 over your shoulder and go walk your dog in your neighborhood. I guarantee you'll be surrounded by cops within minutes, and probably arrested for disorderly conduct AND have your weapon taken from you. Yessirree. That's what I call freedom.
You did not even know you could open carry a long arm in Texas, so perhaps you should learn Texas Gun Laws first before you pass judgment on whether they could be better or worse.
And Cliff quotes the opencarry web site, which I have already pointed out contains factually incorrect info.
So it seems to me a lot of the opinions here about Texas guns laws are coming from folks who either do not know Texas Law or are distorting it to fit their own Agenda.
Go to this thread and tell us what you think needs to be improved:
http://www.texasguntalk.com/forums/...s/18919-what-your-legislative-priorities.html
I disagree, it happens everywhere quite often
For about the fourth time, no its not. If you take time to re-read my post, you will see I said that I DONT CARE if someone open carries. I merely state that it is usually unwise, draws attention, and makes you surrender your ability to go un-noticed and blend into a crowd (it puts you at a tactical disadvantage).
I have not and will not take any steps to see that it gets shot down in Texas as I really dont care one way or another. This is what I have said, according to your count....four times.
I have not said a single antagonistic thing about OC. In fact I defend it. I have consistently debunked many of the myths people claim about OC (they shoot you first).
As TXI has pointed out, and I have, a lot of the OC crowd is deliberately distorting the laws of Texas to fit their OC agenda. This hurts the credibility of the OC movement.
I actually want OC, but I also know it will not happen because most of the Texas OC crowd I know of refuses to join the 2 most powerful pro-gun lobbying groups that could get it done. Kiss it good bye for 2011. Maybe in 2013 if the OC crowd gets it shit together.
This - quoted for the truth. Every time you "splinter" a core group for special interests, you weaken the overall effort of the group as a whole. Anyone remember the old saying "Divide and Conquer"? Yeah - it's true. Will I support OC? Yes. Do I think it has a realistic chance? Not until we get the attention of the "mainstream" gun rights groups in this state, and earn their endorsement by keeping our points on track and clear.
The only sign that caused me to disarm was posted on a hospital. The gun show here in Austin used to have one and I assume the new location will, but the new location is a government owned building. I agree that a property owner should have the right to order anyone to leave, but I do not think a sign forbidding CHL holders should carry the force of law.
The way I've heard TX law interpreted regarding car carry is that one must conceal their handgun - just as OC.org reports. I really am very busy right now; if you don't mind, would you post the section of the law where it says you don't have to conceal in your vehicle?
Which "2 most powerful pro-gun lobbying groups" are you talking about? If you're talking about the NRA & TSRA, neither of them are willing to try for OC here. I've tried a half dozen times to get anyone from the NRA to contact me so we could start a dialog about OC to no avail. The TSRA stated flat-out that they are not interested in pursuing the matter.
ETA: The TSRA also told me that the NRA isn't ready or willing to try for OC in TX.
Laws tell you what you can't do, not what you can do. If you are traveling, you are exempt from 46.02. Thus you can carry open, concealed, loaded, unloaded, whatever, basically no [carry] laws apply.
Yes, those are the two. No pro-gun laws has been passed in the 20+ years I have lived here without their support. Nor will any, anytime soon. OC folks need to join both groups and get a change in priorities.
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Click on my name on this post and read my blog. I have tried to explain this as much as possible.
Had a couple free minutes to scan your blog - thanks for your work on it. Haven't time right now to read all of it though.
I did find the following in Part 1:
I added the bolding for emphasis.
The problem with both the NRA & TSRA is they have their own agendas and aren't willing to listen to the members. I know of at least a half dozen who've contacted TSRA about OC, all with the same response I received. And the NRA doesn't even bother to respond on the matter.
Discounting the all of the stats provided by anyone because of one (potentially) flawed stat is like failing a multiple question test because you answered one question incorrectly.
Discounting the all of the stats provided by anyone because of one (potentially) flawed stat is like failing a multiple question test because you answered one question incorrectly.
If they don't respond, then it's because we allow them to get away with it. By getting more like-minded folks to join, then speak their minds at meetings, etc., we can get their attention. THAT is how to accomplish the change and still keep our voices strong, IMO.
At the state level, NRA provides strategy and guidance, they do not generally lobby state legislators.
As for TSRA, they seem to be doing exactly what their members want. That is why OC fans must join, and instead of 6 people asking for OC, make it 6000 or even better 60,000. This no different than CHL, which they were initially not interested in either.
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