Ok Austin, can we get some good gun laws now?

[Cliffh]

No I asked you to provide the names of the states that had better gun laws than Texas,....

You asked for the names of 5 states that have better gun laws. Since "better gun laws" is a subjective term, and you will be the one to determine which ones you consider to be better, and you seem to have already determined that TX gun laws are the best it would be a foregone conclusion that I can not come up with 5 states you'd find acceptable.

So you still have not named all these other states that have better gun laws than Texas.

See above

"Unlicensed Travelers" do NOT need to conceal any firearm, be it handgun, rifle, machine gun, whatever.

Traveling is not defined. The old “crossing three counties” and other speculated definitions just are not. Personally, I would not rely on this section, as what YOU consider traveling and what a police officer or judge might consider could be vastly different.

Sec. 46.02:
(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a motor vehicle that is owned by the person or under the person's control at any time in which:
(1) the handgun is in plain view; or

Sect 46.15:
(b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:
(3) is traveling;

Assuming you were writing a short explanation of the TX vehicle carry laws, keeping in mind that a) it would be on the Internet and b) there's no specific definition of traveling; how would you have explained it? Would you have put it out there for the entire world to see that it's OK to "travel" in TX with the handgun not concealed? Knowing that some people would consider driving to the corner store to be "traveling"?

 

[Renegade]

You asked for the names of 5 states that have better gun laws. Since "better gun laws" is a subjective term, and you will be the one to determine which ones you consider to be better, and you seem to have already determined that TX gun laws are the best it would be a foregone conclusion that I can not come up with 5 states you'd find acceptable.

No, I made it non-subjective by providing list of gun laws as a reference. You replied:

As for the other items you listed: Many other states also have/allow what you're talking about.

We are still waiting for you to provide the names of these "many" states. But of course, it cannot be done and everyone knows that. So I will let drop it.

 

[Renegade]

Assuming you were writing a short explanation of the TX vehicle carry laws, keeping in mind that a) it would be on the Internet and b) there's no specific definition of traveling; how would you have explained it? Would you have put it out there for the entire world to see that it's OK to "travel" in TX with the handgun not concealed? Knowing that some people would consider driving to the corner store to be "traveling"?

Given the choice between providing factually correct information and blatantly incorrect information, I would provide the factually correct information.

 

[Cliffh]

I'm too busy to play any more games with you. When you decide you'd like to drop the "Holier than thou" attitude and actually have a conversation, let me know.

 

[jsimmons]

Assuming you were writing a short explanation of the TX vehicle carry laws, keeping in mind that a) it would be on the Internet and b) there's no specific definition of traveling; how would you have explained it? Would you have put it out there for the entire world to see that it's OK to "travel" in TX with the handgun not concealed? Knowing that some people would consider driving to the corner store to be "traveling"?

Traveling - a reasonable definition is moving from one location to another by foot or other conveyance. This leads to the following question:

If you can travel by foot, and the handgun must be concealed, doesn't the requirement for a CHL directly contradict the law that states we can carry while traveling? Therefore, shouldn't the requirement for a CHL to carry concealed be stricken?

 

[Texan2]

Traveling - a reasonable definition is moving from one location to another by foot or other conveyance. This leads to the following question:

If you can travel by foot, and the handgun must be concealed, doesn't the requirement for a CHL directly contradict the law that states we can carry while traveling? Therefore, shouldn't the requirement for a CHL to carry concealed be stricken?

For statutory purposes, that is not the recognized definition.

 

[Fisherman777]

Traveling - a reasonable definition is moving from one location to another by foot or other conveyance. This leads to the following question:

If you can travel by foot, and the handgun must be concealed, doesn't the requirement for a CHL directly contradict the law that states we can carry while traveling? Therefore, shouldn't the requirement for a CHL to carry concealed be stricken?

Yeah, but what happens when you stop walking? Dey gotcha!

All of these laws are so complicated like some kind of game. (Mother May I or Simon Says) They need to be trimmed and streamlined so they not only make sense but don't restrict people who have no ill intent and have done nothing wrong.

I don't get the whole traveling thing anyway. Doesn't a person who isn't traveling need to protect him/her self just as much as someone who is on the go?

 

[KAK]

Yeah, but what happens when you stop walking? Dey gotcha!

All of these laws are so complicated like some kind of game. (Mother May I or Simon Says) They need to be trimmed and streamlined so they not only make sense but don't restrict people who have no ill intent and have done nothing wrong.

I don't get the whole traveling thing anyway. Doesn't a person who isn't traveling need to protect him/her self just as much as someone who is on the go?

Great post!!

So i dont have to be traveling to conceal the handgun in my car?

 

[Renegade]

I'm too busy to play any more games with you. When you decide you'd like to drop the "Holier than thou" attitude and actually have a conversation, let me know.

Conversation involving facts, anytime. But making blanket statements that are entirely false is of no use to anyone. That is not conversation. That just clouds the issues.

 

[Texan2]

Great post!!

So i dont have to be traveling to conceal the handgun in my car?

As to give you a straight answer would only fuel debate, not to mention this question has been answered dozens of times on this forum, I would recommend checking out TXinvestigator's blog entries. Very useful to those new to carrying and I think people take it in better when they read it for themselves.

 

[KAK]

Laws are in desperate need of clarification. How do they expect the average citizen to follow something that they do not understand. This is undue restriction anyway, no criminal cares about the interpretation of this law, nor will they follow it. I will carry in my car and hope for the best. I will find a good lawyer in the meantime.

 

[Texan2]

"Out of sight, out of mind"

 

[Renegade]

Ok screw all of these bullshit laws. I will carry in my car and hope for the best. I will find a good lawyer in the meantime.

CHL not an option?

 

[KAK]

Going to the utah class in december.

 

[Texan2]

Going to the utah class in december.

Why not the Texas CHL? You may be disappointed when that Utah license is a no go for Texas residents in the future.

 

[KAK]

Because the best way I can protest the state requiring me from buying my 2nd amendment rights is to buy them for cheaper off of another state.

I disagree I cant see any anti gun legislation passing this session.

 

[Cliffh]

The only reason to get a resident (TX)CHL is if you travel to another state. Some states will not recognize a third part permission slip, it must be from your state of residence.

 

[Texan2]

Because the best way I can protest the state requiring me from buying my 2nd amendment rights is to buy them for cheaper off of another state.

I disagree I cant see any anti gun legislation passing this session.

Interesting perspective

 

[Texan2]

The only reason to get a resident (TX)CHL is if you travel to another state. Some states will not recognize a third part permission slip, it must be from your state of residence.

Yet another reason to get a Texas CHL if you live in Texas.

 

[Fisherman777]

Yet another reason to get a Texas CHL if you live in Texas.

They do need to make them cheaper for people that want them though.