News About The Ukraine War

[Cool 'Horn Luke]

We are finally getting to see the countermeasures in action and learn how they work. I'm sure we'll see things shift again soon.

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Yep, probably the single biggest side benefit of this shit show.

 

[oldag]

We are finally getting to see the countermeasures in action and learn how they work. I'm sure we'll see things shift again soon.

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Neverending cycle.

 

[zackmars]

WSJ reports that Russia is using electronic countermeasures to negate some advance weapons.

The Excalibur artillery round performed wonders when it was introduced into the Ukrainian battlefield in the summer of 2022. Guided by GPS, the shells hit Russian tanks and artillery with surgical precision, as drones overhead filmed the resulting fireballs. That didn’t last.

Within weeks, the Russian army started to adapt, using its formidable electronic warfare capabilities. It managed to interfere with the GPS guidance and fuzes, so that the shells would either go astray, fail to detonate, or both. By the middle of last year, the M982 Excalibur munitions, became essentially useless and are no longer employed, Ukrainian commanders say.

Several other weapons that showcased the West’s technological superiority have encountered a similar fate. Russian electronic countermeasures have significantly reduced the precision of GPS-guided missiles fired by Himars systems, the weapon credited for reversing the momentum of the war in Ukraine’s favor in the summer of 2022, Ukrainian military officials say.
A brand-new system, the Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb munition has failed altogether after its introduction in recent months, in part because of Russian electronic warfare. It is no longer in use in Ukraine pending an overhaul.

Good old fashioned artillery still works, though.

U.S. and European manufacturers are being slow to upgrade their systems to stay ahead of Russian countermeasures.

Excalibur was developed in 1992.

To invoke the Raytheon guy, "we keep our good stuff secret then decide where we use it and who we show it off too"

 

[oldag]

Excalibur was developed in 1992.

To invoke the Raytheon guy, "we keep our good stuff secret then decide where we use it and who we show it off too"

Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb is not that old, though.

 

[zackmars]

Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb is not that old, though.

I don't even think we use the GLSDB

 

[wiredgeorge]

Guess the potato gave a speech yesterday at the NATO conference and said we are going to give Ukraine a bunch more tactical air defense systems. Said a "security agreement" had been signed with Ukraine and 20 something other countries. Is that like signing a treaty? Doesn't congress need to jump in on those type things? The leader of the free world?

 

[Johnny Diamond]

The wording stipulates congress will agree to treaties (I'm a few glasses into some home made apple wine) so don't hold me to exact wording, no one else has the authority, however legal documents are funny things what they say and how they are referred to "specifically" matter a whole lot!

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[oldag]

I don't even think we use the GLSDB

We supplied them to Ukraine from our stocks.

 

[zackmars]

We supplied them to Ukraine from our stocks.

Yes and no. The GLSDB has three major parts. The M26 rocket, which is considered obsolete by military standards (developed in 1980). The SDB which started development in 2001, and is currently in US inventory and service as the GBU-39/B, and then there's the adapter that was designed by Boeing/SAAB.

We wouldn't use the GLSDB because we're trying to get rid of our M26 rockets since 2009, and any capabilities the GLSDB has is more than matched by ATACMS.

Seems like the GLSDB is more or less a stopgap solution for people looking for a cheap SSM who don't want to drop a million per ATACMS or 2 mil per storm shadow.

 

[angel71rs]

Ukes hit munitions storage warehouse in ruzzia with a drone, big kabooms result.

Explosions triggered by downed Ukrainian drone force evacuation of Russian village

Russian officials say a village in the western border region has been evacuated after debris from a downed Ukrainian drone set fire to a nearby warehouse.

www.foxnews.com

 

[General Zod]

Ukraine Situation Report: Russian Strategic Missile Testing Facility Attacked

The attack on the Kapustin Yar site 400 miles from the front lines appears to be another in a string of Ukrainian strikes on Russian strategic military assets.

www.twz.com

Ukrainian drone strikes, minor Russian advances, and the sheer cowardice of the neo-Soviets at the UN...

 

[oldag]

Yes and no. The GLSDB has three major parts. The M26 rocket, which is considered obsolete by military standards (developed in 1980). The SDB which started development in 2001, and is currently in US inventory and service as the GBU-39/B, and then there's the adapter that was designed by Boeing/SAAB.

We wouldn't use the GLSDB because we're trying to get rid of our M26 rockets since 2009, and any capabilities the GLSDB has is more than matched by ATACMS.

Seems like the GLSDB is more or less a stopgap solution for people looking for a cheap SSM who don't want to drop a million per ATACMS or 2 mil per storm shadow.

The U.S. has pursued a strategy of "cutting edge" (using that in DOD terms) technology which is expensive and used in smaller quantities. There is something to still to be said for cheap munitions in large quantities.

 

[zackmars]

The U.S. has pursued a strategy of "cutting edge" (using that in DOD terms) technology which is expensive and used in smaller quantities. There is something to still to be said for cheap munitions in large quantities.

There's something to be said for cheap munitions in large quantities if that's what your military demands.

Ukraine struggles with this because US aide has strings attached. They aren't allowed to strike at strategic targets inside russian territory with US weapons, which is exactly what they are designed for. This is in addition to being a former Soviet satellite, and all the training, culture, and equipment that entails.

Meanwhile the Russians HAVE to have an edge in mass artillery and armor formations because they lack the capability, knowledge, and expertise to reliably target critical military infrastructure.

 

[General Zod]

There's something to be said for cheap munitions in large quantities if that's what your military demands.

Ukraine struggles with this because US aide has strings attached. They aren't allowed to strike at strategic targets inside russian territory with US weapons, which is exactly what they are designed for. This is in addition to being a former Soviet satellite, and all the training, culture, and equipment that entails.

Meanwhile the Russians HAVE to have an edge in mass artillery and armor formations because they lack the capability, knowledge, and expertise to reliably target critical military infrastructure.

They can reliably target hospitals, train stations and apartment blocks though.

 

[wiredgeorge]

Watch! Putin's Comments on Trump Saying He Will Stop the War in Ukraine. He Fears Trump and Dismisses Biden

In a revealing public statement recently, Russian President Vladimir Putin has shown that he takes Donald Trump seriously. Putin’s acknowledgment of Trump’s candidacy and his commitment to ending the war in Ukraine speaks volumes about the current state of global politics. It’s clear that Putin...

steadfastandloyal.com

 

[zackmars]

They can reliably target hospitals, train stations and apartment blocks though.

It's the eastern war doctrine.

 

[cycleguy2300]

They can reliably target hospitals, train stations and apartment blocks though.

Ryan McBeth was pointing outrussia may be trying to creat a dilemma for Ukraine's limited anti-air resources, forcing them to move protection from legitimate military targets like airfields, industry and warehouses, to protect schools, hospitals and shopping malls.

I tend to think this will backfire and provoke nations to increase their supply of air defense, and probably spur tightened economic sanctions if not more.

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[oldag]

Ryan McBeth was pointing outrussia may be trying to creat a dilemma for Ukraine's limited anti-air resources, forcing them to move protection from legitimate military targets like airfields, industry and warehouses, to protect schools, hospitals and shopping malls.

I tend to think this will backfire and provoke nations to increase their supply of air defense, and probably spur tightened economic sanctions if not more.

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I am not sure enough air defense supplies exist.

 

[cycleguy2300]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/s/8n5XFB3QiE

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[General Zod]

Ukrainian Vipers have been officially unveiled.

F-16 Officially In Ukrainian Service, Self Protection Pods Included

After years of work, F-16s have officially entered service with Ukraine's Air Force, and they are already sporting some interesting features.

www.twz.com