Multiple People Shot at Texas Church

[toddnjoyce]

Steel challenge match will help with draw and fire.

Or IDPA or a defensive shooting course.

 

[Hoji]

. I fortunately have a range where I can practice hot, but that is rare.

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So do I. Where do you shoot? Only 2 places I know of in the Austin area that allow it.

 

[cycleguy2300]

So do I. Where do you shoot? Only 2 places I know of in the Austin area that allow it.

I know of only 1 public range and 1 private range that allow it...

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[Renegade]

just saw this on FB... who knows if it's real or not, can't find an actual profile on FBView attachment 195709

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It is real

 

[Hoji]

I know of only 1 public range and 1 private range that allow it...

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I shoot at the private range that allows it. The public range has gotten........... too crowded for me to enjoy myself there.

 

[Inspector43]

That's like thinking a safe country doesnt need a military...

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Really?

 

[oldag]

Actually, its a great argument... cars are where I saw most guns stolen... please just leave it at home if you're going to disarm for a planned excursion.

I highly recommend carrying everywhere you legally can, its just a car is a HORRIBLE place to leave a gun

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Well, other contents in your car be stolen, pawned and the cash used to buy a gun. Do you leave your car entirely empty?

Your car could be stolen and some of the proceeds used for guns. Do you carry your car inside everywhere you go?

Your home could be broken into and guns stolen. Maybe you should not have any guns left at home.

I am not responsible for what some crook may do.

I am not going to drive around with no gun in the car just because I will get out of my car and leave a gun in it for a bit.

Enough off topic.

 

[oldag]

I heard "Drop it! Drop it!" and then the first person got shot...

Fight, flight or freeze... he unfortunately froze. Not a knock on him personally, but a consequence of training and poor mindset.

It sadly reminded me of the Trooper Vetter video...

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Nonsense. Watch the video. The first person shot was in the act of drawing. He was having trouble getting his pistol out. He did not freeze. That is a slander on a very brave man.

 

[oldag]

A range is not needed.

But it helps.

 

[candcallen]

Outstanding job. Really everyone in that church did great. They, or some at least, obviously practiced or at a minimum made and discussed a plan.



Now since every incident is a learning tool, they obviously knew something was up by their positioning. The instant the guy stood up it was obvious something wasnt right. People need to always be suspicious of strangers in strange places dressed strange.

Listen to your gut. You can apologize later.

You dont have to close your eyes and bow your head to pray. Cowards dont start crap when everyone is looking at them.

Yes hindsight is razor sharp. Those folks did superbly in that situation and learning from it confirms all the correct things they did. Also look around thru the church and the actions of the other members. Study the dress and actions of the shooter. Learning gives some meaning to loss.

These shooters are cowards. The more they are dropped instantly the more they will question if a soft target really exists anymore.

There will still be bat shit crazy evil and you can only stop that by killing it.

ETA. Like was mentioned, everyone needs practicing drawing from concealment. Everyone!

Also I suggest you commit to concealed carry by dressing around your weapon not trying to fit your weapon to your clothes and always carry the same gun in the same position. "Rotating" like some folks like to do will kill you. Watch someone reach for a gun that isnt there when they need it cause they tossed a gun in a pocket cause it was hot and you will figure it out.

I'm not saying that to start an arguement with folks that carry different guns or in different places. First rule is have it when you need it. I'm saying the life you save may be your own or one even more important to you.

 

[Moonpie]

Reviewing the video makes me think what would be an appropriate carry rig for occasions that require semi-formal dress(such as church, or say a wedding)?
You couldn't pull off OWB or even IWB without a jacket.
The jacket makes it much more difficult.
Pocket carry works but really restricts one to a small gun.

 

[Renegade]

Reviewing the video makes me think what would be an appropriate carry rig for occasions that require semi-formal dress(such as church, or say a wedding)?
You couldn't pull off OWB or even IWB without a jacket.
The jacket makes it much more difficult.
Pocket carry works but really restricts one to a small gun.

I often have a hammerless J-Frame in pocket and a Glock on belt.

 

[TX OMFS]

Reviewing the video makes me think what would be an appropriate carry rig for occasions that require semi-formal dress(such as church, or say a wedding)?
You couldn't pull off OWB or even IWB without a jacket.
The jacket makes it much more difficult.
Pocket carry works but really restricts one to a small gun.

Step 1: buy a Glock

I carry a G27 IWB with a jacket. Or I leave my shirt untucked. People will get over the untucked shirt. I like carrying in a suit better than most any other way because the gun is only covered by a jacket.

 

[Renegade]

Anton Tony Wallace, 64 was second person shot. He was RN. His daughter was in church and witnessed shooting.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/d...led-during-church-service-speaks-out/2283486/

And the other victim was Richard White.

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2019/12/30...t-church-shooting-tony-wallace-richard-white/

 

[Polarbear6]

Reviewing the video makes me think what would be an appropriate carry rig for occasions that require semi-formal dress(such as church, or say a wedding)?
You couldn't pull off OWB or even IWB without a jacket.
The jacket makes it much more difficult.
Pocket carry works but really restricts one to a small gun.

Even before this shooting, I’ve recently been considering a shoulder holster because I frequently have to wear a sports jacket.

 

[Rhino]

Reviewing the video makes me think what would be an appropriate carry rig for occasions that require semi-formal dress(such as church, or say a wedding)?
You couldn't pull off OWB or even IWB without a jacket.
The jacket makes it much more difficult.
Pocket carry works but really restricts one to a small gun.

I sometimes carry a small 9mm with a CT laser in an ankle holster that works with some Ariat boots I usually wear. It's not a fast option but it does give me the option of ducking down to draw. Really the only practical way to carry if you happen to wear a robe.

 

[Whistler]

Step 1: buy a Glock

I carry a G27 IWB with a jacket. Or I leave my shirt untucked. People will get over the untucked shirt. I like carrying in a suit better than most any other way because the gun is only covered by a jacket.

I see what you did there...

 

[Kar98]

Reviewing the video makes me think what would be an appropriate carry rig for occasions that require semi-formal dress(such as church, or say a wedding)?
You couldn't pull off OWB or even IWB without a jacket.
The jacket makes it much more difficult.
Pocket carry works but really restricts one to a small gun.

Small gun is better than no gun or not going anywhere where a gun might be frowned upon.

Glock 43, Kimber Micro 9 both give you 7+1 plus 8 in a spare mag and if 16 rounds of nine mill won't get you out of the jam you're in idk how another 15 would.

 

[oldag]

Compact 1911 or CCO.

Shoulder rig or OWB with untucked shirt or jacket.

 

[oldag]

This scenario is exceedingly difficult for churches. The "outcast" or "different" person often needs to be in church. We don't want to make them unwelcome. I have seen lives changed and people come out of terrible circumstances. And telling the difference between a different person and a different person intent on causing harm is not always easy.

Perhaps the best solution is making the security team aware and having an alert security team member at the ready and at an appropriate distance?

Thoughts?