any of you not full fledged republicans?

[msharley]

You're probably using words that he can't understand. He's a libtard, go easy on the vocabulary and he might get a hint.

Friday night...

Out with the Frat boiz?

 

[Roscoe]

I'm a full fledged conservative. Too many republicans are too wishy-washy to waste time supporting. Only time I'd support a middle-of-the-road republican is when he/she is running against a POS screaming liberal/average democrat/commie!!!

 

[Sam7sf]

Too many republicans are too wishy-washy to waste time supporting.

Amen.

 

[glenbo]

I'm a full-fledged moderate conservative with libertarian leanings. That puts me somewhere between Attila the Hun and Genghis Khan.

 

[Army 1911]

Attila the Hun was a liberal!

 

[Axxe55]

BTW, for those of you who've met my teenage sons, there's your proof not all young people are like this kid.

Amen!

 

[DoubleDuty]

I'm a full fledged conservative. Too many republicans are too wishy-washy to waste time supporting. Only time I'd support a middle-of-the-road republican is when he/she is running against a POS screaming liberal/average democrat/commie!!!

Which is why a Convention of States has become so important.

 

[fork3]

Ok it hasn’t been asked or if it has my bad.

In regard to your view on federal troops: was Randy Weaver justified if he wanted to shoot at federal agents?

See Ruby Ridge Idaho. Famous case.

idk a lot about that admittedly. the waco thing always fascinated me more. I will say from what little I know, the feds seemed to be a bit too aggressive and pushy, and they should really only bother people with warrants or high degree of probable cause of seriously illegal activity. I don’t even know what the beef at ruby ridge was about actually. So i really can’t say much more

Edit: alright, I read a bit more. My additional thoughts: if the feds wanted him that badly, they probably should have outwaited him. There was no reason to rush it and go in when they did. 2. Even if what he did was against the law (which I probably don’t agree with the law anyways, they need to have discretion about what they really pursue. As for shooting those feds, no. if he was captured alive, he should have been charged with shooting at them

 

[msharley]

idk a lot about that admittedly. the waco thing always fascinated me more. I will say from what little I know, the feds seemed to be a bit too aggressive and pushy, and they should really only bother people with warrants or high degree of probable cause of seriously illegal activity. I don’t even know what the beef at ruby ridge was about actually. So i really can’t say much more

A few clicks on the internet...

You will learn more than you want to know about Mr. Weaver & his MURDERED Wife & son...(the FBI was busted for entrapment)....

 

[fork3]

A few clicks on the internet...

You will learn more than you want to know about Mr. Weaver & his MURDERED Wife & son...(the FBI was busted for entrapment)....

i wrote a little edit with some more info

 

[Sam7sf]

idk a lot about that admittedly. the waco thing always fascinated me more. I will say from what little I know, the feds seemed to be a bit too aggressive and pushy, and they should really only bother people with warrants or high degree of probable cause of seriously illegal activity. I don’t even know what the beef at ruby ridge was about actually. So i really can’t say much more

Edit: alright, I read a bit more. My additional thoughts: if the feds wanted him that badly, they probably should have outwaited him. There was no reason to rush it and go in when they did. 2. Even if what he did was against the law (which I probably don’t agree with the law anyways, they need to have discretion about what they really pursue. As for shooting those feds, no. if he was captured alive, he should have been charged with shooting at them

So the agents had no reason to develop a plan to get kids out first as to protect life? You feel they ran an acceptable operation by terminating weavers son and wife?

 

[fork3]

So the agents had no reason to develop a plan to get kids out first as to protect life? You feel they ran an acceptable operation by terminating weavers son and wife?

No, they did not run an acceptable operation. They should have been held liable even more than they were. I think at the same time, those who shot at the feds should still be pinned for it. If feds come to arrest my friend because they falsely identify him for instance, I don’t think he should have the right to kill them, avenue of court only

 

[Sam7sf]

No, they did not run an acceptable operation. They should have been held liable even more than they were. I think at the same time, those who shot at the feds should still be pinned for it. If feds come to arrest my friend because they falsely identify him for instance, I don’t think he should have the right to kill them, avenue of court only

We can agree to disagree on that one. It’s not as common but police can disengage at any time if the public is at risk or in this case women and children are being subjected to the immaturity of others. The fbi was started by a homosexual. A homosexual that engineered his agency to be political. In hindsight, they have done very little law enforcement work that’s been helpful to the public.

So after killing one child in Idaho, I guess they needed to up the score and kill way more in Texas? So if you can see agents should have been held accountable, how does the punishment still fit the crime for the civilians? I mean, if a man goes up against a corrupt agency, gets set up by the batf, gets his son and wife killed by the help of folks just looking for some blood shed; if I was a juror, I’d push for nullification.

 

[Axxe55]

idk a lot about that admittedly. the waco thing always fascinated me more. I will say from what little I know, the feds seemed to be a bit too aggressive and pushy, and they should really only bother people with warrants or high degree of probable cause of seriously illegal activity. I don’t even know what the beef at ruby ridge was about actually. So i really can’t say much more

Edit: alright, I read a bit more. My additional thoughts: if the feds wanted him that badly, they probably should have outwaited him. There was no reason to rush it and go in when they did. 2. Even if what he did was against the law (which I probably don’t agree with the law anyways, they need to have discretion about what they really pursue. As for shooting those feds, no. if he was captured alive, he should have been charged with shooting at them

Just a little clarification, Randy Weaver and his daughter won judgments against the federal government along with Kevin Harris, and both were exonerated on criminal charges. With the exception of one misdemeanor charge against Randy Weaver.

Also the state of Idaho wanted to pursue murder charges against several federal officers for the murder of Vickie Weaver and Samuel Weaver...

I would recommend reading about Ruby Ridge before passing such quick judgement without knowing what took place.

Ruby Ridge - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Sam7sf]

Just a little clarification, Randy Weaver and his daughter won judgments against the federal government along with Kevin Harris, and both were exonerated on criminal charges. With the exception of one misdemeanor charge against Randy Weaver.

Also the state of Idaho wanted to pursue murder charges against several federal officers for the murder of Vickie Weaver and Samuel Weaver...

I would recommend reading about Ruby Ridge before passing such quick judgement without knowing what took place.

Ruby Ridge - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Exactly why when at the time it happened; such unnecessary loss, should jury nullification been applied.

 

[Axxe55]

No, they did not run an acceptable operation. They should have been held liable even more than they were. I think at the same time, those who shot at the feds should still be pinned for it. If feds come to arrest my friend because they falsely identify him for instance, I don’t think he should have the right to kill them, avenue of court only

So you think just because someone wears a badge, that they are immune from being treated like a criminal if they are acting like one?

Anyone breaks into my home in the middle of the night, even if they have a badge, will find their blood and brains painted all over the wall.

Do some reading of "No-Knock" warrants gone bad, and LE officers and homeowners both being killed during the encounter.

 

[Axxe55]

Exactly why when at the time it happened; such unnecessary loss, should jury nullification been applied.

Lon Horiuchi should have stood trial for murder, but AG Janet Reno pretty much gave him immunity for those deaths.

Lon Horiuchi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Then at some point later, he was also acting as sniper in the Waco fiasco.

 

[fork3]

We can agree to disagree on that one. It’s not as common but police can disengage at any time if the public is at risk or in this case women and children are being subjected to the immaturity of others. The fbi was started by a homosexual. A homosexual that engineered his agency to be political. In hindsight, they have done very little law enforcement work that’s been helpful to the public.

So after killing one child in Idaho, I guess they needed to up the score and kill way more in Texas? So if you can see agents should have been held accountable, how does the punishment still fit the crime for the civilians? I mean, if a man goes up against a corrupt agency, gets set up by the batf, gets his son and wife killed by the help of folks just looking for some blood shed; if I was a juror, I’d push for nullification.

I mean I agree that the family shouldn’t have been pursued to begin with. I just disagree that shooting at the feds was alright. My belief is that their aveneue was the court only

 

[fork3]

Just a little clarification, Randy Weaver and his daughter won judgments against the federal government along with Kevin Harris, and both were exonerated on criminal charges. With the exception of one misdemeanor charge against Randy Weaver.

Also the state of Idaho wanted to pursue murder charges against several federal officers for the murder of Vickie Weaver and Samuel Weaver...

I would recommend reading about Ruby Ridge before passing such quick judgement without knowing what took place.

Ruby Ridge - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don’t think the officers themselves are responsible. The heads of agencies in the bureaucracies and maybe even the scene commanders, should have got prison sentences, but not the average officer

 

[Axxe55]

I don’t think the officers themselves are responsible. The heads of agencies in the bureaucracies and maybe even the scene commanders, should have got prison sentences, but not the average officer

You really are naive. Bureaucracies and scene commanders didn't pull the trigger. Horiuchi pulled the trigger.

Lon Horiuchi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ruby Ridge - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Waco siege - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org