30 Super Carry vs. 9mm

[leVieux]

This thread is worse than Beto O'Rourke.

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‘’Beto’’ was/is a total FAKE.

Sad that Beto was the best the TXoc’RATS could come up with. . . . TWICE !

But, like’em or not, both .30SC & GLOCK are very real.

Also sad that this entire thread, which was borne of a real question as to .30SC vs) .380/9mmK, was another waste. Turned into a long joke.

We are all growing older. We see & hear many folks on here downsizing from .45ACP to 9mmPB.

Some of us are even older & less able; so are considering what next after 9mm. Or, post .357.

We have long heard that .25ACP & .32ACP are inadequate for personal defense, and agree.

But, the .380/9mmK has always been a gray zone, even after decades of improvements in bullets, propellants, weapons, etc.

I have personally cared for very serious, life threatening and certainly DISABLING/INCAPACITATING, injuries from a single well-placed center-mass .380 bullet.

Could we have a non-comical discussion of 30SC vs) .380ACP/9mmK ? With data & opinions from actual users, not companies trying to sell their “improved cartridges” ?

My PPKS has slept long & hard; she wants to go-out again.

leVieux

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[no2gates]

What the heck.........I will compete against my own thread.

Your thread is better though.

 

[seeker_two]

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‘’Beto’’ was/is a total FAKE.

Sad that Beto was the best the TXoc’RATS could come up with. . . . TWICE !

But, like’em or not, both .30SC & GLOCK are very real.

Also sad that this entire thread, which was borne of a real question as to .30SC vs) .380/9mmK, was another waste. Turned into a long joke.

We are all growing older. We see & hear many folks on here downsizing from .45ACP to 9mmPB.

Some of us are even older & less able; so are considering what next after 9mm. Or, post .357.

We have long heard that .25ACP & .32ACP are inadequate for personal defense, and agree.

But, the .380/9mmK has always been a gray zone, even after decades of improvements in bullets, propellants, weapons, etc.

I have personally cared for very serious, life threatening and certainly DISABLING/INCAPACITATING, injuries from a single well-placed center-mass .380 bullet.

Could we have a non-comical discussion of 30SC vs) .380ACP/9mmK ? With data & opinions from actual users, not companies trying to sell their “improved cartridges” ?

My PPKS has slept long & hard; she wants to go-out again.

leVieux

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The issue with. 30SC is that it tried to compete with 9mmP instead of. 380ACP, making a cartridge that recoils as much as 9mmP without the ballistic or economic advantages. Had they throttled .30SC down to a round that recoiled less than .380ACP but with similar or better ballistics and capacity (like a .32ACP Ultra), then it would be a great success.

 

[leVieux]

Well, it was called a '38 Super',
I see lots of that on store shelves also.

38 Super is very popular throughout Latin America; where all “military”
calibers & “magnums” are not permitted civilians.

 

[Mohawk600]

38 Super is very popular throughout Latin America; where all “military”
calibers & “magnums” are not permitted civilians.

And you can find 1911s chambered in 38 super if you look hard enough

 

[no2gates]

And you can find 1911s chambered in 38 super if you look hard enough in Sasquatch's .30sc and midgit porn collection.

FIFY

 

[Vaquero]

Your thread is better though.

If I merge them, will there be a coffee cup giveaway?

 

[zackmars]

If I merge them, will there be a coffee cup giveaway?

 

[robertc1024]

Damn Lazarus thread.

 

[General Zod]

Damn Lazarus thread.

If people would stop reviving the damn thing every couple of weeks...

 

[no2gates]

If I merge them, will there be a coffee cup giveaway?

There's a 1k post mug giveaway on the "Delete" thread. If you merge them there WON'T be 2.

 

[Tnhawk]

And you can find 1911s chambered in 38 super if you look hard enough

I haven't seen one in over 20 years. Maybe Bigfoot has one.

 

[zackmars]

There's a 1k post mug giveaway on the "Delete" thread. If you merge them there WON'T be 2.

I mean either @benenglish or @Sasquatch would just steal it anyways.

Some of us have legitimately won our coffee mugs, but its a small club.

 

[Moonpie]

I haven't seen one in over 20 years. Maybe Bigfoot has one.

What? I just bought a brand new 38super one a couple of weeks ago.
I'm seeing them all over nowadays.

 

[ILexpatriot]

What? I just bought a brand new 38super one a couple of weeks ago.
I'm seeing them all over nowadays.

They were popular back in Illinois to make major power factor in competition. They weren't growing on trees, but could be found if you hung around that group.

 

[Mohawk600]

I haven't seen one in over 20 years. Maybe Bigfoot has one.

I hear they are popular in Mexico

 

[benenglish]

They were popular back in Illinois to make major power factor in competition.

Personal pet peeve, that. In the beginning, 9mm made major in IPSC. All you needed was plenty of Blue Dot and a willingness to load the book max (which might have been too much for some pistols but definitely not all).

Then the asshats who prayed at the altar of the .45 ACP made any rule changes it took to keep 9mm out of major. They just couldn't stand the idea of their little game taking the 9mm seriously since they'd spent their lives belittling it.

Asshats.

The same goes for any shooting game rule makers who make it impossible to make progress by gaming the rules. Whether it's the NRA's "spirit of the rules" or the "failure to engage" or "failure to do right" rules employed by various other shooting sports, any shooting sport whose rules make it illegal for competitors to be smarter than the people who wrote the rules is garbage...at least a little.

Hell, in my beloved silhouette shooting, Elgin Gates didn't hesitate to break his own rules to enforce his own prejudices, i.e. he hated European pistols and made it almost impossible to use any in production class.

I seriously hate when sport officials use the rules to protect their own egos and not for the betterment of the sport.

Sorry for the rant.

Like I said - personal pet peeve.

 

[ILexpatriot]

Personal pet peeve, that. In the beginning, 9mm made major in IPSC. All you needed was plenty of Blue Dot and a willingness to load the book max (which might have been too much for some pistols but definitely not all).

Then the asshats who prayed at the altar of the .45 ACP made any rule changes it took to keep 9mm out of major. They just couldn't stand the idea of their little game taking the 9mm seriously since they'd spent their lives belittling it.

Asshats.

The same goes for any shooting game rule makers who make it impossible to make progress by gaming the rules. Whether it's the NRA's "spirit of the rules" or the "failure to engage" or "failure to do right" rules employed by various other shooting sports, any shooting sport whose rules make it illegal for competitors to be smarter than the people who wrote the rules is garbage...at least a little.

Hell, in my beloved silhouette shooting, Elgin Gates didn't hesitate to break his own rules to enforce his own prejudices, i.e. he hated European pistols and made it almost impossible to use any in production class.

I seriously hate when sport officials use the rules to protect their own egos and not for the betterment of the sport.

Sorry for the rant.

Like I said - personal pet peeve.

Not to further drag this into 9 vs 45 territory.. but I WANTED to be a 45 guy. Then, competition and experience taught me that I'm really a 9mm guy. The way I see it, the more the better..

 

[Tnhawk]

Not to further drag this into 9 vs 45 territory.. but I WANTED to be a 45 guy. Then, competition and experience taught me that I'm really a 9mm guy. The way I see it, the more the better..

The more 1911s I have the better, 9mm, 40s&c, 10mm and 45acp.

 

[ILexpatriot]

The more 1911s I have the better, 9mm, 40s&c, 10mm and 45acp.

I'll always keep a 1911 or 2 around. But for edc and competition, I kinda like my little plastic 9mm Smith. Like winning at pool with a house cue, out shooting guys with $1500 guns, with a $350 one is always a hoot.