I'm well aware, and even made reference to them in post #816.
ETA: And own 2 with them myself.
Well, I was only ever talking about that type.Remember there are two types of red dot sights, prismatic and reflex. The ones in Mike’s post above are reflex sights and eye relief isn’t an issue.
Prismatic red dots are like the M68 and short eye relief is generally required.
Well, I was only ever talking about that type.
ETA: So, you are saying they are not an issue on an AR pistol?
(iii) Whether the weapon is equipped with sights or a scope with eye relief that require the weapon to be fired from the shoulder in order to be used as designed;
Are you trying to use logic in regard to the ATF??And evidently reflex red dot sights don't require being fired from the shoulder.
Are you trying to use logic in regard to the ATF??
And evidently reflex red dot sights don't require being fired from the shoulder.
This is the same .gov that can't tell a male from a female.
But they are telling us the difference between a rifle and a pistol.
So these sights make a pistol a sbr?From the beginning of the ATF's release of the rule, my simple understanding of what would constitute a prohibited sight on a pistol (a sight that would make a pistol an SBR) is basically any sight with a short eye relief, i.e. rifle iron sights (particularly aperture), short eye relief RDS (like prismatics), rifle scopes, and whatever else I didn't think of... that would require the pistol to be shoudered to render a sight picture.
Any RDS, pistol sights, long eye relief pistol scope, or notch and post type sights that would allow a sight picture with an extended arm would be OK as sights, but that still wouldn't make the gun a pistol if the other criteria for a pistol were not met.
This is why I was so confused when the ATF first signaled that the sights installed would have some impact on their determinations.
The two that come to immediately to mind that "force" shooting from the shoulder are aperture sights and plain-Jane optical scopes...
I forgot about those. Thanks for another example.So these sights make a pistol a sbr?
Yeah, that's what bothers me. Of course...purposefully subjective vagueness
...it's beginning to look a lot like this insanity was put into the rule knowingly and deliberately.ATF has built a rule in which anything can now be declared a rifle.
And, as such, more easily included in future assault weapons ban.Scout scopes and other long eye relief scopes came to mind for me as another splitting of the hairs. That’s when I decided ATF has built a rule in which anything can now be declared a rifle.
Beginning???I forgot about those. Thanks for another example.
Yeah, that's what bothers me. Of course...
...it's beginning to look a lot like this insanity was put into the rule knowingly and deliberately.