Electric Vehicles here to stay, for good or bad?

[Shady]

yep EV's are a totally new concept

The History of the Electric Car

Travel back in time with us as we explore the history of the electric vehicle.

www.energy.gov

 

[MountainGirl]

I wonder how many of the dead frozen folks trapped on the road in the blizzard were in an EV - and if that would have made any difference.

 

[candcallen]

It’s not an issue that one person had. It’s a limitation with lithium ion batteries.

Sounds like a software issue since they heat themselves to be able to run in the first place. You cant drive up and plug in and be too cold. You can be sitting outside unused for hours and be too cold but again they heat themselves so being a known issue .......

All that said, as usual, the truth is in between.

Haters gonna irrationally hate. Love is blind. Round and round we go.

 

[leVieux]

It takes years to develop new car models, can you imagine how long they have been working on EV? It doesn't happen overnight.

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Speaking as a once-upon-a-time student of electrical phenomena and batteries:

There is no such thing as a REAL “quick charge” battery, and there never will be. Physics !

Therefore, there would be two ways to make electric vehicles practical for non-urban travel:

Quick-change batteries with an extensive network of battery-change stations,

or,

by placing a continuous supply of electricity into the roads, driveways, parking lots, trails, etc. where the vehicles could go.

The very FACT that neither is being given serious consideration tells me that the main purpose of forcing EV’s on the American Public is to LIMIT & RESTRICT OUR ABILITY TO MOVE-ABOUT AT WILL !

leVieux
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[candcallen]

>
Speaking as a once-upon-a-time student of electrical phenomena and batteries:

There is no such thing as a REAL “quick charge” battery, and there never will be. Physics !

Therefore, there would be two ways to make electric vehicles practical for non-urban travel:

Quick-change batteries with an extensive network of battery-change stations,

or,

by placing a continuous supply of electricity into the roads, driveways, parking lots, trails, etc. where the vehicles could go.

The very FACT that neither is being given serious consideration tells me that the main purpose of forcing EV’s on the American Public is to LIMIT & RESTRICT OUR ABILITY TO MOVE-ABOUT AT WILL !

leVieux
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Only a sith deals in absolutes..... it's not impossible.
Again the truth is in the middle. The tech is immature and once it is mature they will be wide spread. 10 minutes to charge 200 miles of range?

Electric car batteries with five-minute charging times produced

Exclusive: first factory production means recharging could soon be as fast as filling up petrol or diesel vehicles

www.theguardian.com

From the article......

A five-minute charging lithium-ion battery was considered to be impossible,” he said. “But we are not releasing a lab prototype, we are releasing engineering samples from a mass production line. This demonstrates it is feasible and it’s commercially ready.”

Existing Li-ion batteries use graphite as one electrode, into which the lithium ions are pushed to store charge. But when these are rapidly charged, the ions get congested and can turn into metal and short circuit the battery.

The StoreDot battery replaces graphite with semiconductor nanoparticles into which ions can pass more quickly and easily. These nanoparticles are currently based on germanium, which is water soluble and easier to handle in manufacturing. But StoreDot’s plan is to use silicon, which is much cheaper, and it expects these prototypes later this year. Myersdorf said the cost would be the same as existing Li-ion batteries.

“The bottleneck to extra-fast charging is no longer the battery,” he said. Now the charging stations and grids that supply them need to be upgraded,

THAT ARTICLE WAS FROM 2021 SO HERES one from 2022

Scientists May Have Just Cracked the Code on Fast Electric Car Charging

Penn State University scientists have developed an EV battery that can charge in 10 minutes

time.com

They are using a different method, adding heating to the mix.

It will get there. But it requires fast charging batteries along with infrastructure to deliver enough power.

It will be a long way off. It the ass backwards way the gooberment is forcing us into this that's the problem and the conspiracy theorist haters along with the blind lovers.

The truth is always in-between.

 

[msharley]

Damn your friend drives a lot

With its 8year 100K battery warrantee

I don't know my son's neighbor.

He says they are suing Chevy....the Chevy Stealership is trying to get out of the warranty....

If I find out more...I'll pass it on...

Will tell you....the last Chevy we owned? Had so much trouble with it & the Stealership....there will never be another Chevy in my driveway.

 

[candcallen]

Again, when you can get in one a drive anywhere with a charge time on par with filling up a gas tank and pricing equal to ice car when comparing like models everyone will have one.

Most of us will be dead long before that happens. You need major power generation and infrastructure changes that will take 50 plus years and should have been started in the early 90s with nuke plants and power delivery upgrades but like everything the gooberment does they phuck it up.

 

[leVieux]

It takes years to develop new car models, can you imagine how long they have been working on EV? It doesn't happen overnight.

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This topic has been dealt with extensively here, and all-over.

leVieux

 

[candcallen]

Is that the online version of taking your ball and going home?

 

[OutlawStar]

I wonder how many of the dead frozen folks trapped on the road in the blizzard were in an EV - and if that would have made any difference.

I'd guess not very many; nationwide EV sales are at about 6% but I have no idea if its higher in the blizzard areas. CA is obviously the highest but I think thats like 14%. Don't quote me on those numbers. But there are people every year that get stranded in an ICE vehicle and die because the exhaust gets clogged and they die from CO poisoning. Range, charging, and other aspects were hugely affected by the cold weather, but thats true for even for ICE cars since they use a battery to at least start. As anyone who's tried to cold crank a tractor in 0F weather can attest, it may not start the car.

 

[Aus_Schwaben]

I guess EVs are fine for the RGV but...

Furious Tesla owners share videos of their cars failing

Rachel Modestino, a meteorologist from Canada, was locked out of her Tesla on December 23 after a massive winter storm last week.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[candcallen]

I guess EVs are fine for the RGV but...

Furious Tesla owners share videos of their cars failing

Rachel Modestino, a meteorologist from Canada, was locked out of her Tesla on December 23 after a massive winter storm last week.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Whiney bitches. Regular cars do that too. Regardless of the handle type.

 

[rotor]

According to the WSJ EV makers don't market in cold climate areas. Please don't ask for the reference. On a brighter note I replaced the battery in my HP portable today for less than $30. It still doesn't run a long time unplugged and takes a long time to charge. But it didn't cost a ton for a battery. Oh, Tesla stock isn't doing very well.

 

[Wudidiz]

Bad idea. Batteries require power.

 

[TEXAS "All or nothing"]

Bad!
Nothing good comes from ev! The market will be cornered on electricity causing high prices! When you have no choice then all choices will be made for you! Just imagine states with electric crisis already! Now it'll get worse! Power grids will go down! Pollution will be worse due to more cars of coal going down the tracks!

 

[leVieux]

Our current crop of national politicians deserves to be tried for TREASON. ! Start with Schumer & McConnell.

 

[Havok1]

According to the WSJ EV makers don't market in cold climate areas. Please don't ask for the reference. On a brighter note I replaced the battery in my HP portable today for less than $30. It still doesn't run a long time unplugged and takes a long time to charge. But it didn't cost a ton for a battery. Oh, Tesla stock isn't doing very well.

it has been over valued for a long time. Glad it’s finally coming back to reality.

 

[wbm]

EV's are fossil fuel burners and will remain so until other forms of electricity are available. Watched an experiment last summer on the expected charge life of EV's under various environmental conditions. Bottom line? Air conditioning was fairly efficient but heating was not....discharge rates greatly increased when vehicle heating was used. One of the missing facts in advertising for EV's is mileage deterioration due to environmental factors. Imagine an EV in Buffalo during the past two weeks.

 

[OutlawStar]

it has been over valued for a long time. Glad it’s finally coming back to reality.

I was just thinking that this morning when I saw an article showing how Tesla's market cap used to be bigger than EVERY other automaker in the world. How does that make sense for a car company that only just now started making modest profits, making 100k cars a year is valued more than Ford, GM, Chrysler, Hyundai, Honda, Toyota, Ferrari, and the rest of them COMBINED? Everyone's pointing at teslas 66% stock drop saying the company is done. I think now that they're seen as a regular car company the frenzied capital dump into their stock is no longer the stock market meme. Some got very rich pumping and dumping that, now they're onto the next pump and dump scheme.

 

[wbm]

Some wake up calls

Drivers demand more electric car charging points in Britain

Electric car drivers have called for more charging points to be installed across the UK after some Tesla owners were left queuing for three hours.

www.dailymail.co.uk