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  • HKShooter65

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    About 10 people I know have recently bought Teslas.
    Tesla owners are becoming sort of a cult, proselytizing all the time.

    Wishing to stay culturally literate, I went and test drove one today.

    Jeeeeeezzus......
    0-60 MPH between 2 massive electric motors in the diminutive little Model 3 in 3.2 seconds is just an indescribable exhilaration. And that's their entry level sedan.

    Think how fast the chuck on your cordless Milwaukee drill reaches full speed and you will get the idea.

    Never mind that the thing costs almost exactly the same as a new Ford Raptor.
    It is amazing.

    The still-to-come high end Tesla Roadster will do 0-60 in 1.9 seconds. Go 250 MPH and drive from Austin to to a Beto rally in El Paso without stoping once!! Oh. It's expensive.

    Just about all the auto makers are about to introduce their respective versions.
     

    SQLGeek

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    The acceleration on them is insane. The super charger infrastructure and long range had helped their staying power. There's no denying they are nicely appointed cars and their tech is pretty amazing.

    Electric vehicles will remain a rich commuter's car though until they can meet and exceed the range of a Tesla in a much cheaper offering.

    And charging needs to become as widespread and fast as a regular gas fill up.
     

    EZ-E

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    You still have a battery to replace in 5 years & it won't be cheap. I know several people that bought a Prius. When the battery died it was 5k for the battery + labor if your not a do it yourself type. I'm not much on the whole electric cars yet. Especially when the US government & other countries gives million of dollars to Tesla in subsidies.

    This all compares to Tesla reporting a $312 million profit for the third quarter. Subtract the $713 million in U.S. subsidies, and Tesla's results would be far weaker. Add in the international subsidies received from countries such as Norway, Sweden, The Netherlands and the U.K., and the situation would look even worse.


    https://realmoney.thestreet.com/inv...in-product-isn-t-cars-it-s-subsidies-14769263
     

    Bozz10mm

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    Electric vehicles do have a lot of advantages over gas powered vehicles. They are much less complex. No oil changes or tune ups required. No transmissions to maintain or rebuild. Zero emissions, great acceleration and torque. Technology will eventually solve the battery replacement and range pitfall. I can picture, in 100 years or less, 100% self driving and electric vehicles on the road. What fun is that?

    I don't think the infrastructure in it's current state could support a 100% conversion to electric. Maybe not even 50%.
     

    para_bellum

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    A friend at work has one and I got to experience the acceleration, it is indeed amazing!

    Subsidies are unlikely go away, the "climate change" religion allows convenient allocation of tax dollars.

    By the time I'm old & grey I'm sure governments will be mandating EV use in order to save Mother Earth. I'll stick with fossil fuels as long as I can.
     

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    If battery powered cars made sense, they would have been successful the first time around.

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    To me it looks like they only make sense as commuter mobiles for the wealthy (house needed, second weekend car needed, office job with chargers in the parking garage needed), and the proles can go eff off and take the bus, but they can still pay the taxes that subsidize their bosses' electric cars.
     

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    oldag

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    Electric vehicles do have a lot of advantages over gas powered vehicles. They are much less complex. No oil changes or tune ups required. No transmissions to maintain or rebuild. Zero emissions, great acceleration and torque. Technology will eventually solve the battery replacement and range pitfall. I can picture, in 100 years or less, 100% self driving and electric vehicles on the road. What fun is that?

    I don't think the infrastructure in it's current state could support a 100% conversion to electric. Maybe not even 50%.


    No, not zero emissions. Where does the electricity come from to charge them? It ain't all wind power.
     

    IXLR8

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    Remember that your air conditioner is also powered by the battery.
    Many parts of the country already have rolling blackouts due to infrastructure deficiencies.
    That is going to make mountains of old batteries, full of toxic mostly non recyclable materials.
    If you run out of power at an inconvenient time, you can’t just get a gas can and be on your way.
    Shall I keep going....
     

    kbaxter60

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    It will be interesting to watch the evolution of the electric car. I think it may be something like electric RC planes. I had a friend who got one when they first came out. Very underpowered and short flight times. It just couldn't carry enough battery. Over time, the batteries got much better and the brushless technology made the motors stronger and more efficient. Now, many electric models rival the gas planes. Take a look at this marvel, for example:

    If the electric cars have a similar evolution, we should see some affordable, very desiraable models in the near future.
     

    Tcruse

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    Electric vehicles do have a lot of advantages over gas powered vehicles. They are much less complex. No oil changes or tune ups required. No transmissions to maintain or rebuild. Zero emissions, great acceleration and torque. Technology will eventually solve the battery replacement and range pitfall. I can picture, in 100 years or less, 100% self driving and electric vehicles on the road. What fun is that?

    I don't think the infrastructure in it's current state could support a 100% conversion to electric. Maybe not even 50%.
    "Zero emissions" - not true. You still have the emissions that are the result of the generation of the energy, loss of energy in transmission and loss of energy in the battery itself. So, unless we have a zero emission electric grid, these are are not zero emission. Also, the batteries have a high cost to the environment on building and on disposal.
     

    dsgrey

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    Probably but charging times, availability of chargers, range and cost are the items they must overcome to really compete. More of an expensive novelty at this point. Then consider the increased load on the power grid if they were truly the norm. It's near impossible in many areas to just build power plants since they as popular as landfills.

    Look at how long hybrids have been available. I seriously considered one back in 2012 when I commuted highway but I bought a non-hybrid that got 40mpg and cost half the price. I calculated it would take over 250k miles on the hybrid before I'd break even.
     

    HKShooter65

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    You still have a battery to replace in 5 years & it won't be cheap. I know several people that bought a Prius.


    Actually the Model 3 I drove yesterday with the long range battery has a factory 8 year or 120,000 mile warranty on the battery.

    It may be that cars become like phones.
    Use-up and toss.
    An 8 year warranty suggest that it'll last longer than that for most users.
    Know anybody still using their iPhone 3 from 9 years ago? Likely not.

    The bigger question is if Tesla will even be around in 8 years!
     

    txinvestigator

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    This is not just about Tesla. Nissan, Chevy, Huyndai, BMW, Jaguar and more all have electric only vehicles.
    Range is getting better and better.

    They are the future. I recently purchased a new car and I seriously considered an electric. I spent more for my internal combustion engined car than I could have purchased a Tesla 3 for. I wanted a coupe, and I travel in Texas for work.

    That brings me to the charging times. In my gasoline fueled car I can fuel up and be on my way in less than 5 minutes, but mostly I fuel up, use the bathroom, get a coffee or water and then get on my way. Max time is 15 minutes. If the charging times can be reduced to that at standard chargers, I am in for electric.

    The polotical conversation about Tesla isn't really relevant to the future of EVs.
     

    oldag

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    Actually the Model 3 I drove yesterday with the long range battery has a factory 8 year or 120,000 mile warranty on the battery.

    It may be that cars become like phones.
    Use-up and toss.
    An 8 year warranty suggest that it'll last longer than that for most users.
    Know anybody still using their iPhone 3 from 9 years ago? Likely not.

    The bigger question is if Tesla will even be around in 8 years!

    I will be surprised, knowing the state of battery technology, if that 8 years is truly achieved.
     

    HKShooter65

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    Drive a few hours and then wait over an hour while it recharges? {If you can find a place to recharge.}

    No thanks.

    Not really.
    The average American drives 13,400 miles a year.
    That's around 1,100 miles a month.

    In practicality that means do all your driving as you now do and plug it in at home ever 4-6 days overnight.
    Each plug-in would cost about $6 here. I pump about $250 of gasoline monthly.
    I know a lot of Tesla owners doing that today.

    Admittedly an all electric car is a terrible choice if I want to drive to Amarillo tomorrow.

    Tesla's new yet-to-arrive roadster is enormously powerful and will go 620 miles.
    Mess with that math and imagine that, in 2022, Toyota produces an American-made all electric Civic that is faster than the current Civic and will go 1,200 miles on a $10 once-a-month.
    That can and will be transformative.
     
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