If Texas Would Leave

[Sasquatch]

From a realistic standpoint, what would it take for Texas to secede the Union? What are the obstacles? What are the logistics? What are the long term problems we would face as a state? Would other states, or even other countries take us seriously if it happened? Would they trade, or deal with us? What problems would residents face if they needed to travel outside of Texas? What about politicians getting on board and supporting this? What about people that wanted to move to Texas?

Personally, I do like the sound of it. I have heard this for many, many years, and it sounds good in theory, but I have many doubts of it actually working in reality. I see many more complications and problems, and many downsides than upsides.

Texas was its own country for a decade before joining the US. We have our own power grid, so we're not relying on others (or at least not much) for energy. We'd be a major oil and gas exporter - which would help us get world acceptance. We have other large industries already present here - auto manufacturing and high tech. We have food to export as well (who doesn't love Texas beef, besides maybe India?)

From an economic standpoint I think Texas would quickly hit a point of being just fine as its own country.

The biggest problem would be the politics - getting enough support from state and local reps to *do* it. And then convincing the Texas Guard to get behind the movement in case peaceful secession was not an option. Of 29 million Texas residents, how many would need to answer the call? If we harken to the 3% notion - that's 870,000 men and women who would have to step up and defend the state.

Travel outside of Texas would become international travel - might be really dicey during the secession period. Who knows if major airlines would operate in and out of Texas. Might have to travel via Mexico first, if visiting other countries?

As for others who want to move to Texas at that point - there's no reason we couldn't setup a relatively fast check for citizenship or visa - no relocation if you're a felon, wife beater, have a history of drug arrests -and must have a work contract lined up before application, with a contingent agreement for rental unless the person has enough money to in the bank to support themselves. A check of social media could be included in the background check to weed out communist / socialists or sympathizers.

There are a million things that would need addressed, but I think it would be doable if the political will was there.

 

[mrmiller]

Well first off our collective size is the only way to stand a chance holding off China and Russia. Without a full United States they would take us apart. I love the idea also on emotional level but logically it would be horrible.

 

[CPTKILLER]

Texplainer: If Brexit Can Happen, Can Texit?

Hey, Texplainer: Britain voted to leave the European Union. Can Texas secede from the United States?

www.texastribune.org

It is an interesting discussion but won’t happen. I have supported a proposal to leave but it won’t happen.

 

[lobo]

Look how Texas was so blue and Biden was winning for awhile in the election! Texas had me worried for awhile. It was a shame that we have so many "those" in our wonderful state right now! Down right shame!

 

[JeepFiend]

From a realistic standpoint, what would it take for Texas to secede the Union? What are the obstacles? What are the logistics? What are the long term problems we would face as a state? Would other states, or even other countries take us seriously if it happened? Would they trade, or deal with us? What problems would residents face if they needed to travel outside of Texas? What about politicians getting on board and supporting this? What about people that wanted to move to Texas?

Personally, I do like the sound of it. I have heard this for many, many years, and it sounds good in theory, but I have many doubts of it actually working in reality. I see many more complications and problems, and many downsides than upsides.

From my point of view, the first obstacle is overturning Texas v. White. Without that, the U.S. will never recognize the secession without a victory in war or support from a majority of the states. Next becomes the question of whether Texas would go it alone or not. I tend to think that if Texas were to lead the way, places like OK, LA, MS, AR, AL, SC, TN would likely follow suit. If the secession could take place peacefully, I think you wouldn't see much hardship in travelling through other states. It would be much like going to Mexico or Canada...you'd have an immigration checkpoint where you'd either have to show your Texas ID or Texas passport. As for whether or not other countries would take us seriously, I'm not sure many do now...but if a large amount of the southern states did leave, it's very likely a very significant portion of the U.S. military would resign their posts and join their local armed services whether it was a state militia or national guard or something more like an army for the confederation of states. Either way, neither nation would represent a super power any longer and foreign threats would increase.

 

[gambler]

Why wait?

Probably not going to happen....

Current Supreme Court precedent, in Texas v. White, holds that the states cannot secede from the union by an act of the state. More recently, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated, "If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede."

 

[GMart]

Would Coors and Miller Lite then be imported beers? Shiner and Lone Star would be exports. Most automobiles would be imports. Dadgum foreign cars, Ford, Chevy, Dodge.

aren't they already? cause most of the "american" vehicles parts are all ehco im mejico

 

[Axxe55]

From my point of view, the first obstacle is overturning Texas v. White. Without that, the U.S. will never recognize the secession without a victory in war or support from a majority of the states. Next becomes the question of whether Texas would go it alone or not. I tend to think that if Texas were to lead the way, places like OK, LA, MS, AR, AL, SC, TN would likely follow suit. If the secession could take place peacefully, I think you wouldn't see much hardship in travelling through other states. It would be much like going to Mexico or Canada...you'd have an immigration checkpoint where you'd either have to show your Texas ID or Texas passport. As for whether or not other countries would take us seriously, I'm not sure many do now...but if a large amount of the southern states did leave, it's very likely a very significant portion of the U.S. military would resign their posts and join their local armed services whether it was a state militia or national guard or something more like an army for the confederation of states. Either way, neither nation would represent a super power any longer and foreign threats would increase.

I had completely forgotten about that case. I had to look it up and refresh my memory of it. That case was in 1869! I believe the standards would be much harder today for Texas to secede the Union!

One of the biggest hurdles or problems I see, is getting politicians on board and supporting it to happen. I just don't see that being possible, or happening any time soon.

 

[justashooter]

One problem would be the 5 million liberals already in the state. That problem might take care of itself, as they would probably leave over time.

But a majority of Texans would not vote for secession. The liberals would not, and some folks who would be amenable from a values standpoint will be too afraid to go down that path.

I am not sure that another War Between the States would occur. I don't know that the liberals in DC would have the guts. And I don't know that the military would step in.

Texas would have to deal with economic upheaval. Liberal companies would pull their HQ's out of Texas. They might also pull their operations out. Now it is fine and dandy to say "let the door hit them on the backside", but those tax dollars and jobs would be gone and there would be an impact.

Now some of those corporations are greedy enough to look at the market size in Texas and hang around for the bucks.

A significant exodus would crash the housing market. Over time, perhaps conservatives from other states would move in and help with housing and the economy, but they must find jobs. Again, perhaps they can fill jobs abandoned by liberals who left.

On a global basis, we would need armed forces. Otherwise, some foreign country (even Mexico) could decide to seize a foothold in the U.S. And the U.S. might choose not to intervene. Would some of the military join the new Texas armed forces? Perhaps. Bring their equipment? Perhaps.

Could Texas be self sufficient?

1. Ag/food products - probably, but with less variety
2. Electricity - absolutely
3. Oil, gas, gasoline, diesel - absolutely
4. Steel - nope
5. Electronics - nope, we need raw materials not present in Texas
6. Consumer goods - nope for many products, don't have the manufacturing plants

But we might find willing trade partners.

If the US and global markets imposed an embargo, things could be tough for a while. Texas might or might not find buyers (in spite of the embargo) for petroleum products. And some significant countries would probably refuse to join the embargo.

A major effort would be required to set up a functioning international government.

It would not be a smooth ride. But in the long run, would probably be worth the sacrifice.

I could see some other states joining us eventually.

• Good probability - Oklahoma, Wyoming, Montana
• Possible - Arkansas, Louisiana, Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakotas, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina
• Maybe Iowa, Idaho, West Virginia

If that happens, the path gets smoother.

Lacking a majority of the secession vote in Texas, how to make it happen. Sadly, force would be the remaining option.

Just like a lot of the far left liberal fantasies like medicare for all, and the Green New Deal when you apply eccomonic common sense to them they fall flat. Nice to think about but not practical on alot of levels.

 

[sdismukes]

Had a long conversation with some guys who were active in the secede movement a few years back. Had to ask how they were going to handle FEDERAL troops in Killeen, El Paso, San Antonio... How they would handle guys in, say, the First Armored who weren't Texans, but came from all over, and swore an oath the the US Constitution. Having just Fort Hood in the middle of our new country, holding allegiance to the USA, not us?

Plus what do we do about passports, a currency, ambassadors (remember to survive as a country you have to be recognized as a country by other countries - its one reason the Confederacy failed since the Brits wouldn't recognize it).

Then you have border control - how you gonna block off all those roads that point at Commiefornia from those commiefornians invading? We've had 400 years of not worrying about people crossing state lines - now it'd be a national boundary. Then what? If the Rio Grande is as porous as it is, what would the line along the panhandle be?

Don't get me wrong, there are times that I would LOVE to be rid of DC and the utter stink and corruption there. Just it ain't gonna be a cakewalk by any means.

 

[G O B]

I do not see it happening any time SOON.
BUT
There is a terrible reckoning coming to the major blue Cities. They cannot survive without a HUGE Federal handout. That will NEVER make it thru the Senate. It will not be pretty.
No matter HOW the election comes out, SHIT IS GONNA HAPPEN!

"May you live in interesting times." (old Chinese curse)

 

[oldag]

Probably not going to happen....

Current Supreme Court precedent, in Texas v. White, holds that the states cannot secede from the union by an act of the state. More recently, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia stated, "If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede."

If it comes to it, "White" won't stop Texas.

But I doubt it will come to that point.

 

[avvidclif]

As far as how to carve up Texas into 5 states and get rid if the blue shitholes. Easy-peasy. Divide it up like they gerrymander political districts. DFW and a thin blue line down 35 to Austin and on to San Antone. Another down 45 to Houston. I10 west to El Paso. That leaves the valley but we can handle that. The blue line would be the width of the freeway and service roads only.

 

[satx78247]

aren't they already? cause most of the "american" vehicles parts are all ehco im mejico

GMart,

IF my treasured 1992 Town Car didn't say LINCOLN in several places, it would likely be considered a "foreign car" as MOST of it is CANADIAN-made.

yours, satx

 

[leVieux]

If Texas would leave the union, I'd be on my way there tomorrow. If you'll have me.

I keep all my Texas licenses up to date for that specific reason

leVieux

 

[cycleguy2300]

I'd never say never, but if I were a betting man, I would put huge odds of it happening any time soon. Too many obstacles. People today have way different values and morals than those that fought for Texas Independence.

I'll bet you, that you can't find five people that would do what those brave men did at the Alamo. Willing to sacrifice their lives to buy Houston time to get ready to defeat Santa Ana. And they were not forced to stay at the Alamo. They could have left.

There is no way you can compare people of today to those who fought at the Alamo, or Goliad.

Neither the greatness of people, nor their evil has changed since the beginning of time. There will always be men willing to stand in the gap, and there will always be those who wish to do harm to others.

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[alwho421]

this is a list of Texas legislators that introduced a total of 27 gun grabbing bills into this session. Here is your hit list of leading gun grabbers in Texas; Here are the full names and district of the sponsors of these abhorrent pieces of legislative crap Diego M Bernal District 123, Thersa Meza District 105, Joe Moody District 78, Evelina Ortega District 77,Art Fierro District 79 And Sen Cesar Blanco of El Paso Thersa Meza sponsored 14 of these bs bills.

 

[Curtis@1964]

I'd never say never, but if I were a betting man, I would put huge odds of it happening any time soon. Too many obstacles. People today have way different values and morals than those that fought for Texas Independence.

I'll bet you, that you can't find five people that would do what those brave men did at the Alamo. Willing to sacrifice their lives to buy Houston time to get ready to defeat Santa Ana. And they were not forced to stay at the Alamo. They could have left.

There is no way you can compare people of today to those who fought at the Alamo, or Goliad.

I don

Well thank God it ain't going to happen. Someone like you would probably throw myself and many of my family members out of Texas because we were not born here if you were on some stupid Texas citizenship board!

I'm glad that you think of yourself "qualified" to make such determinations and decisions about people's lives. I sure really thought you'd be the leading general of the Texican Military Forces!

Axxe55,
You sound like you must be a yankee or, even worse, someone from Kalifornistan. I, for one, would love to see someone march your a$$ to the state border.

 

[Axxe55]

I don

Axxe55,
You sound like you must be a yankee or, even worse, someone from Kalifornistan. I, for one, would love to see someone march your a$$ to the state border.

Well Curtis, maybe you would like to try. If so, I'll be your huckleberry!

 

[Wolfwood]

You're a daisy if you do.