Multiple People Shot at Texas Church

[candcallen]

All aboard the ss tidy bowl as this circles the drain.

 

[jrbfishn]

You said: "please show me where it says you ever lose any Rights for breaking a Law."

I did.

No, you did not.
You showed where it says "no indentured servitude or salvery". Has nothing as to losing rights for life due to a conviction.
Read the words.

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[cherok2e]

Three days after the incident, I offer this perspective: the "armed security" at this church were all middle-aged-to-elderly volunteers, not active and serving LEOs who were regularly dealing with "street people". This took place in a church, where everyone there came to worship God, not plan for a completely off-the-wall murderous attack by a "street person" who was not known to be dangerous. I don't have LEO training but I am a suspicious person who trusts no one. I am also 72 years old and my responses are a lot slower than they were 20 years ago, let alone 40 or 50 years ago. Most of us old guys recognize this reality. I saw several pious men in that church who were probably more prepared to seize a man who could have become loud and disruptive and escort him out of church and pray for his salvation. These men - all of them - did not have the mindset to use violence immediately; few men (and fewer women) do. Most of these godly people were probably more than willing to seize and subdue and unarmed and aggressive "street person" not kill a man who threatened their lives and the lives of their family. The presentation of the weapon changed the dynamic and the course of action. Most Christians tend to take the 5th Commandment literally ("Thou shall not kill") and not as it is written in Hebrew ("Do not commit murder"). It is a very hard and unnatural thing to take the life of another human being. Only those who have seen wartime combat or been in a situation that they had to defend their lives know how difficult it is to take a human life. Many will forever feel that they are cursed with the mark of Cain for protection their own lives and/or the lives of others. One of the most unlikely such people that I have known is a nun from South America who had actually killed four men in South America in defense of her own live and the lives of other innocents. As she said when asked what she did afterward, she replied, "First, you throw up, then you get on with your life." She killed them all to protect her fellow nuns and those in her care from evil and violent men who surrendered themselves to their own willfulness and desires. I've read many comments from people on this Board today who have a far too casual attitude toward taking the life of another of God's children. You do what you have to do, regret it afterward, then get on with your life. There are very few people who can immediately respond to violence or the threat of violence with brutal, deadly force. In other words, no real people are John Waynes in real life. You do the best you can, be a defender of those who are defenseless and try to win the immediate battle. If you lose, then you may die but to be willing to give your own life in the defense of others is heroic in the extreme and should never be denigrated. The men who died were heroic and their lives should be celebrated and honored.

Before the shooting, the shooter had several run-ins with authorities. Fort Worth police arrested him in 2008 and charged him with felony aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, according to Department of Public Safety court records. The charge was later lowered to misdemeanor deadly conduct, and he was convicted in 2009, the records show. He was sentenced to 90 days in jail.

In 2011 he was arrested in Tuttle, Oklahoma, on suspicion of assaulting a convenience store employee and setting several items on fire around town, including tree branches doused with gasoline, a football soaked with lamp oil, and tampons soaked with oil. He was sentenced to a year in jail after being convicted of a misdemeanor property charge in that case, and 90 days in jail for misdemeanor assault and battery, according to court records.

The shooter was diagnosed with forms of psychosis and depression and was prescribed medications to treat the conditions, according to a report by the Oklahoma Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services, filed in Grady County District Court in February 2013.

The report states that during an evaluation in 2012, the shooter "displayed several signs of mental illness, including 'apathy, long latency of response to questions and an impaired ability to attend, concentrate and focus.'"

In December 2013, Fort Worth police arrested the shooter for misdemeanor theft and he was convicted in January 2014, the records show. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail.

The shooter faced an unlawful possession of weapons charge in New Jersey in 2016, records show. He pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of criminal trespass, the court documents show.

Local reports at the time said the shooter was arrested in Linden after police found him near a Phillips 66 refinery with a 12-gauge shotgun. He was sentenced to time served, 303 days in jail.

There has been a lot of time spent analyzing and discussing this event but the most important thing may be what can be learned from it.

"This transcends the holsters, the weapon(s), the draw speed everything. Our laws have become almost useless. His rap sheet should of had him off the streets.

The church security seen the perp, aimed a camera at him. Why didn't they stop him in the foyer and ask if he needed assistance, when he went to the bathroom? He wouldn't have gotten to the worship area and no one would have seen anything. They could have sat next to them where they had immediate control over him. We can all talk about the what ifs but the main thing is for people to read this forum and be able to learn from the video(s) and observations.

Maybe the problem isn't entirely the church security but the judicial system in America. Here's a guy with a long rap sheet.
Married in '96 to 34 yo woman in AZ when 19, had 4 kids, restraining order '11-'12, 15 yo son afraid of him married to and Oklahoma woman for eight years, divorced in '10, she said he had demons
Had to be married to both for eight years
Had a boat load of arrests all over country, once in NJ taking pictures of refinery tanks on a bicycle with Mossberg 12 ga. shotgun, 300 days in jail another arrest for aggravated assault 90 days in jail numerous other violations in 4 or 5 states. His sister said brother committed suicide year or two ago, maybe she's right. This guy was ripe for Deep State MKultra control and at the ready for a false flag event.

The one in Parkland, visited 29 times for infractions. The machete wielder in Pa. had a rap sheet dating back to enlisting in the marines. A person committing 5 acts of anti-Semitic violence in a day. Another guy let out of jail early and attacks a cop from behind.

The bomber with a rap sheet, known to FBI and his bomb mailings didn't even have stamps canceled. The FBI is being looked at by DOJ for false evidence getting FISC warrants for spying.

They seem to all have long rap sheets with a databases that the dots don't fit, or don't get analyzed, making them ideal for false flag events. The justice system has the knowledge of the perp's rap sheets, they don't do any three strikes you're out but they work well when you need a perp. They mostly die from suicide or by law enforcement giving cover to the real collusion.

What happened to the El Paso shooter who turned himself in? Haven't heard a peep about him. The events in the past three weeks have been almost one a day. There's not one of these you can't ask yourself a question about. The elections are getting close and it looks like Trump will win and the Deep State can't have that happen. It will change all the plans the OWO has for America."

 

[JCC]

Kind of long, but I thought good.



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[oldag]

I will not criticize anyone in that church.

I will recognize the true heroes (and I don't use that word lightly, unlike most of today's society).

I will try to learn lessons on how to improve church security.

 

[pronstar]

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[cherok2e]

Kind of long, but I thought good.



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The guy in this video really should have done some research before he did the video.

At Sutherland the guy came in shooting from the outside and from the back. Even he wouldn't have had a chance to shoot back. He really needs to have more information before he talks about something.

 

[cherok2e]

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USA today was trying to be cute and still want gun control. They missed the mark.

 

[cherok2e]

Incarceration of innocent citizens. You have a reading comprehension issue.

You think the government can just incarcerate anyone it wishes? Yes or no? Direct answer, no misdirection.

My original point is that felons give up rights. There is right for an innocent citizen not to be incarcerated. A felon surrenders that right.

If you want to defend the right of Charles Manson (were he to have been released) to possess a firearm, have at it.

Federal gun laws prohibit felons from having any contact with firearms and ammunition. The laws specifically criminalize the possession, shipment, transportation and receipt of firearms or ammunition by a felon in interstate or foreign commerce. Federal law also prohibits a person charged with a felony from shipping, transporting or receiving a firearm or ammunition in a manner that affects interstate and foreign commerce.

Crimes
The law defines a felony as a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year. As far as federal gun laws are concerned, the length of a person’s actual prison sentence is irrelevant. The law also applies to individuals who were previously convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.

 

[majormadmax]

 

[TX OMFS]

 

[TX OMFS]

Here's the dumbest thing you will read on the internet this week. I can't find the OP to link.

ETA: His name is Peter Fritz. He is a Bernie Bro. Probably has a useless PhD based on his Facebook handle. https://www.facebook.com/pfritzphd

He actually seems to have a useful PhD.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/pfritzphd

 

[JCC]

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[Wildcat Diva]

Here's the dumbest thing you will read on the internet this week. I can't find the OP to link. View attachment 196219

After reading that my response is “hahaha yeah ok.”

 

[Kar98]

Here's the dumbest thing you will read on the internet this week. I can't find the OP to link. View attachment 196219

Yeah and that's why I left reddit years ago.

 

[JCC]

Just wow.

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[Wildcat Diva]

Surely that’s bogus trollery of the highest order.

 

[majormadmax]

That's gotta be BS...

 

[toddnjoyce]

Surely that’s bogus trollery of the highest order.

That's gotta be BS...

It’s real. See this post and a few following it for details.


https://www.texasguntalk.com/threads/funny-picture-thread-iii.78772/page-4109#post-2013683

 

[TX OMFS]

I give you Peter Fritz, Bernie Bro. He does have a legit PhD.

https://www.facebook.com/pfritzphd

https://www.linkedin.com/in/pfritzphd