That's the thing - while I PERSONALLY PREFER to be concealed, it's just danged hard to do in this Texas heat 100%. There's got ta be a way to come up with a workable solution without strappin' it on my hip - but if not, then lemme strap one on!
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+1 on point #2, which IMHO, to open carry = CHL.
That is EXTREMELY abstract.
If you asked 400,000 of those CHL holders if they wanted the option of OC they would probably return a Yes in a 90+ percentile. All of us choose a CHL because that is the ONLY way to carry a gun legally.
Extremely Abstract? Got something better? ....."they would probably"....what does that mean? That is your opinion I guess. Are you speaking for "all of us".
Please....provide at least something comparable to the "abstraction" I provided besides your opinion.
Your response here is simply your opinion. Lastly, do you have something better? If not, let it go. Like I said....I support OC for CHL holders.
I talk to probably 15,000 gun owners a year in the Austin area alone. Open carry comes up quite a bit and I can count the number of people that have opposed it on one hand. I don't need to dig up some abstract number off the internet to put one and one together on this.
That's kind of my sense of it. The fact that lessor numbers have actually taken the time to sign the petition doesn't mean that is the only people that would support OC.
Maybe not a fair comparison, but even in the last hotly contested Presidential election, only around 50% of registered voters showed up to vote. That doesn't mean the ones that didn't take the time to vote didn't have an opinion. They were too lazy or otherwise couldn't get to the polls, but still probably had an opinion.
I gotcha. The "shoe fits but you don't want to wear it"...
LOL.....I love it.
I personally haven't been asked to sign a petition pushing for open carry. If asked, I'd sign. I would probably carry concealled 90% of the time, but for 10% or so it would be great to have the option - especially when out hunting/hiking. Or just driving around in the jeep.
If supporters placed petitions in every gunshop in Texas I don't think it would be that big of a problem getting several hundred thousand signatures.
I've been carrying a gun for the government for the past 30 years or so. I have to admit I really didn't see anything in the CHL class that the average Texan doesn't already know - or couldn't figure out with just a bit of common sense. Passing that test certainly doesn't mean a person knows or understands the laws. It just means he stayed awake in class and has an attention span good for at least 10 hours or so. I've taken two CHL classes in Texas; neither class required students to draw a loaded weapon from conceallment and hit a target. Compared to most States, ours is a good class. There are idiots legally carrying guns now; there are also idiots legally driving cars (if you don't believe it, get on the Sam Houston Tollway during rush hours). I'm more concerned about the drivers.
If one strongly supports the 2nd amendment, but believes only people with CHL's should carry, doesn't that mean you believe the 2nd amendment should be changed/modified. There's nothing in the amendment that mentions a citizen acquiring a license to make him "legal".
If supporters placed petitions in every gunshop in Texas I don't think it would be that big of a problem getting several hundred thousand signatures.
I've been carrying a gun for the government for the past 30 years or so. I have to admit I really didn't see anything in the CHL class that the average Texan doesn't already know - or couldn't figure out with just a bit of common sense. Passing that test certainly doesn't mean a person knows or understands the laws. It just means he stayed awake in class and has an attention span good for at least 10 hours or so. I've taken two CHL classes in Texas; neither class required students to draw a loaded weapon from conceallment and hit a target. Compared to most States, ours is a good class. There are idiots legally carrying guns now; there are also idiots legally driving cars (if you don't believe it, get on the Sam Houston Tollway during rush hours). I'm more concerned about the drivers.
If one strongly supports the 2nd amendment, but believes only people with CHL's should carry, doesn't that mean you believe the 2nd amendment should be changed/modified. There's nothing in the amendment that mentions a citizen acquiring a license to make him "legal".
Has been asked and answered already in this thread.
Wouldn't you think with 400,000+ CHL holders in Texas, and assuming OC is such a popular "outcry" that these 400k licensees would be "climbing over the counter" saying..."give me that OC petition".
Please. Bottomline, OC enthusiasm is not as widespread as some would like it to be.
There are a lot MORE idiots ILLEGALLY carryin' guns, too....so what's the differenct?
Unless they're doing something illegal with the gun (other than carrying it), I think it's wrong to charge 'em.
Agreed, Codeman - I want OC, but until we have it I'll follow applicable law, unless I somehow find the $$$ to wage a battle all the way up to the SC. Of course, if I had THAT kinda money, I'd likely move to a small town, run for Sheriff, an' not worry 'bout it!<G>
Partychief67
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Who is this Collin County asshole that you are referring too? There are tons of them...
There're been a few folks questioning how I came up with the almost $700 figure for our permits. People who know me trust my word, but since ya'll don't know me....
First, we do not live in the city. We took the required class while gas was about $4.00 per gallon & I drive a truck - not some little econo box.
Breakfast: $15.00
Lunch: $25.00
Rnd trip gas for class: $20.00
Class: $300.00
License fees: $250.00
Semi-auto rental: $20.00
Ammo: $30.00
Gas for second set of prints x 2 trips: $40.00
Postage to mail apps: $20.00
My calculator indicates the above figures total $720.00.
I don't feel anyone should have to pay for a permit (permission slip) to carry. The 2A doesn't say anything about taxing us for the "privilege" of carrying. For it to cost so much is obscene. And having to rent a semi or have a restricted permit!?! Give me a freakin' break!
Not really. How many CHL holders actually knew of the petition? If only 100,000 of the 400,00 CHL holders knew of the petition and 65,000 signed it, then the majority would support it. Without all of the applicable variables available it's impossible to come to an accurate conclusion. BTW, the way you worded you first request could be construed as the entire pro-gun community, not just the TX community.
Regarding "schooling" for either OC or CC: what ever happened to personal responsibility? You carry a gun, you know the laws. If you don't, shame on you - and you pay the penalty. I've taken classes in 2 states now and did not learn anything in either class that I didn't already know from doing a bit of light reading on my own. Now if the classes actually taught something applicable such as drawing & firing under duress.... might be worth the time and money. One class at Gunsite did cover firearm handling in more depth than others, but it still wasn't much more the the bare minimum required by the state.
I've talked with a couple of the local Sheriff and a few of the PD in the nearest town, they've all stated that everyone in this area carries, with or without a permit. Haven't heard of any "idiots" going "postal", even without the state required training. Personally, I take their "everyone" statement with a grain of salt; but I "assume" they mean quite a few of the local folks carry.
First, we do not live in the city. We took the required class while gas was about $4.00 per gallon & I drive a truck - not some little econo box.
Breakfast: $15.00
Lunch: $25.00
Rnd trip gas for class: $20.00
Class: $300.00
License fees: $250.00
Semi-auto rental: $20.00
Ammo: $30.00
Gas for second set of prints x 2 trips: $40.00
Postage to mail apps: $20.00
My calculator indicates the above figures total $720.00.
I don't feel anyone should have to pay for a permit (permission slip) to carry. The 2A doesn't say anything about taxing us for the "privilege" of carrying. For it to cost so much is obscene. And having to rent a semi or have a restricted permit!?! Give me a freakin' break!
Not really. How many CHL holders actually knew of the petition? If only 100,000 of the 400,00 CHL holders knew of the petition and 65,000 signed it, then the majority would support it. Without all of the applicable variables available it's impossible to come to an accurate conclusion. BTW, the way you worded you first request could be construed as the entire pro-gun community, not just the TX community.
Regarding "schooling" for either OC or CC: what ever happened to personal responsibility? You carry a gun, you know the laws. If you don't, shame on you - and you pay the penalty. I've taken classes in 2 states now and did not learn anything in either class that I didn't already know from doing a bit of light reading on my own. Now if the classes actually taught something applicable such as drawing & firing under duress.... might be worth the time and money. One class at Gunsite did cover firearm handling in more depth than others, but it still wasn't much more the the bare minimum required by the state.
I've talked with a couple of the local Sheriff and a few of the PD in the nearest town, they've all stated that everyone in this area carries, with or without a permit. Haven't heard of any "idiots" going "postal", even without the state required training. Personally, I take their "everyone" statement with a grain of salt; but I "assume" they mean quite a few of the local folks carry.
I tend to agree with your the principle you are speaking to, but your math is flawed.
First, you can't count your meals. You would need to eat those anyways. Could you eat cheaper at home? Sure, but if that's a big deal, pack some food and take it along. Gas? if you don't live in the city that's your choice and anything you need to get in the city will require you to drive and spend gas money. That is your choice where you live. Gun rental? most people have their own guns. If you intend to carry you can't rent a gun for that so you'll need to buy some anyways at some point. Prints and trips for prints? most CHL classes give this as part of the fee. We paid $125 each and got all of that included in one trip. So $550 or $275 each is a more realistic number. Still a lot of money, I'll agree. But that is how it is. I don't like paying $65 a year for new plates for my car, and $45 (or whatever it is) to have an inspection. But that is what it is. None of that is going away.
