Ukraine War and Politics

[surevaliance]

Rumors have it that whole Russia-Ukraine war’s main purpose is clearing the land for New Khazaria - a place where Israelis will move to.
I think this is an antisemitic bullshit and conspiracy.

 

[Dakar34]

Thank you Ukraine for being cannon fodder in the latest portion of our 30 year advance on Moscow. Only about 300 miles to go! Giddy up! Imagine all the money to be made!

 

[cycleguy2300]

Thank you Ukraine for being cannon fodder in the latest portion of our 30 year advance on Moscow. Only about 300 miles to go! Giddy up! Imagine all the money to be made!

The whole idea that there is some "advance on moscow" is delusional.

russia is a bad neighbor and NATO is the bars in the windows, a response not the cause. NATO expansion is the direct response of nations bordering russia being bullied by russia and seeking protection from russian agression that they have extended to their neighbors since at least the Winter War (not to mention the Holodomor and various internal purges)

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[Dakar34]

The whole idea that there is some "advance on moscow" is delusional.

russia is a bad neighbor and NATO is the bars in the windows, a response not the cause. NATO expansion is the direct response of nations bordering russia being bullied by russia and seeking protection from russian agression that they have extended to their neighbors since at least the Winter War (not to mention the Holodomor and various internal purges)

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Russia is a bad neighbor? What is the old Mexican saying? They’re so close to the US and so far from God. I wonder what they mean by that?

 

[cycleguy2300]

Not sure what you are saying, but I have a fewling it has some to do with excusing russia's actions because of something you perceive the US did... more "how dare you say pickpocketing is wrong because you drove too fast once..."

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[Dakar34]

Not sure what you are saying, but I have a fewling it has some to do with excusing russia's actions because of something you perceive the US did... more "how dare you say pickpocketing is wrong because you drove too fast once..."

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Mexicans say that in reference to the numerous times we’ve invaded their country. The most significant included their defeat and surrender at Mexico City, resulting in them ceding roughly half of their country to the US. Personally I think we should have taken Baja California too. And we’d do it again if the Chinese or Russians were moving to put their military, nukes, etc on our border, just like we were ready to go to war to stop the USSR from putting them in Cuba. It’s been our policy that only we can intervene in Latin America for 200 years now (since 1823).

 

[Dakar34]

The Houthis are using Ukrainian-style surface drones and have driven the USN out of the Red Sea. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-houthis-have-defeated-the-us-navy/ar-AA1pldRJ

 

[Dakar34]

We’ve blocked any possibility of a negotiated settlement in the past. Why would we want one now?

https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraines-zelenskiy-present-plan-biden-end-war-with-russia-2024-08-27/

 

[cycleguy2300]

We’ve blocked any possibility of a negotiated settlement in the past. Why would we want one now?

https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraines-zelenskiy-present-plan-biden-end-war-with-russia-2024-08-27/

Because negotiating an agreement with the ruzzians always ends so well...

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[Dakar34]

Because negotiating an agreement with the ruzzians always ends so well...

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Seriously? Ask native Americans what negotiations and agreements with the US are worth. Absolutely nothing. Your lack of knowledge about our own history is amazing. Or convenient.

 

[surevaliance]

Seriously? Ask native Americans what negotiations and agreements with the US are worth. Absolutely nothing. Your lack of knowledge about our own history is amazing. Or convenient.

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/What-Is-the-Average-Native-American-Salary-by-State

Tribes to Receive $1.7 Billion from President Biden’s Bipartisan Infrastructure Law to Fulfill Indian Water Rights Settlements | U.S. Department of the Interior

Following a trip to the Gila River Indian Community with members of the Arizona congressional delegation today, Secretary of the Interior Deb Haaland announced the Department’s plan to fulfill settlements of Indian water rights claims using historic funding from President Biden’s Bipartisan...

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Add on, add on…
Stop crying for them. I’ve never seen one working Mon-Fri.
Well… except Elizabeth Warren.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Seriously? Ask native Americans what negotiations and agreements with the US are worth. Absolutely nothing. Your lack of knowledge about our own history is amazing. Or convenient.

Go regret your privilege as you self-hate somewhere else...

Every nation in history has done some really wrong things when you look back far enough, but there are a couple of nations that are doing those evil things NOW at this very moment and we have the chance to say, give, do something to stop it yet evil people use past wrongs of an unrelated group to excuse allowing current wrongs by another.

For the last 100 years russia has continually wrought evil upon itself and its neighbors and it can be stopped.

I'm sure as some spoke out against breaking treaties with the Indians, the trolls of the day pointed out how the English treated the Scots or the Irish trying to shut them up...



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[Dakar34]

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/What-Is-the-Average-Native-American-Salary-by-State

Tribes to Receive $1.7 Billion from President Biden’s Bipartisan Infrastructure Law to Fulfill Indian Water Rights Settlements | U.S. Department of the Interior

Following a trip to the Gila River Indian Community with members of the Arizona congressional delegation today, Secretary of the Interior Deb Haaland announced the Department’s plan to fulfill settlements of Indian water rights claims using historic funding from President Biden’s Bipartisan...

www.doi.gov

Add on, add on…
Stop crying for them. I’ve never seen one working Mon-Fri.
Well… except Elizabeth Warren.

If you’d like to make the argument that the US did not make dozens of treaties with them and then routinely break said treaties, go right ahead.

 

[Dakar34]

Go regret your privilege as you self-hate somewhere else...

Every nation in history has done some really wrong things when you look back far enough, but there are a couple of nations that are doing those evil things NOW at this very moment and we have the chance to say, give, do something to stop it yet evil people use past wrongs of an unrelated group to excuse allowing current wrongs by another.

For the last 100 years russia has continually wrought evil upon itself and its neighbors and it can be stopped.

I'm sure as some spoke out against breaking treaties with the Indians, the trolls of the day pointed out how the English treated the Scots or the Irish trying to shut them up...



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Self hate my ass. Like I said, I think we should’ve taken Baja California too. BTW, the Hawaiians would like their country back as well. Ain’t gonna happen.
Regardless, I’m sure the Ukrainians are near victory, if we just borrow another $100B. I keep hearing that, anyway. Then they can join the list of countries we’ve gotten involved in over the past few decades and have dramatically improved. Somalia, Lebanon, Libya, Iraq, Haiti, etc.

 

[cycleguy2300]

If you’d like to make the argument that the US did not make dozens of treaties with them and then routinely break said treaties, go right ahead.

Take your self-hating somewhere else. This isnt the "American/Indian politics of the 1800s" its Ukraine politics...


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[cycleguy2300]

Self hate my ass. Like I said, I think we should’ve taken Baja California too. BTW, the Hawaiians would like their country back as well. Ain’t gonna happen.

Self-hates then says he doesn't... Saying what ever you want to say that seems like it will be most beneficial to you in the moment.

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[Dakar34]

Self-hates then says he doesn't... Saying what ever you want to say that seems like it will be most beneficial to you in the moment.

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You crack me up. History is what it is. Pretending it’s not is simply bullshit. You can wish for utopia, past and present, all you want. Some of us choose to live in the real world. And the real world is full of compromises and accommodation, unless you have the power to force others to comply. Fortunately for us, we’ve generally had that power over large sections of the world for a long time.

 

[cycleguy2300]

You crack me up. History is what it is. Pretending it’s not is simply bullshit. You can wish for utopia, past and present, all you want. Some of us choose to live in the real world. And the real world is full of compromises and accommodation, unless you have the power to force others to comply. Fortunately for us, we’ve generally had that power over large sections of the world for a long time.

Get back to Ukraine politics...

You're polluting the thread more than normal by straying off topic.

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[Dakar34]

Get back to Ukraine politics...

You're polluting the thread more than normal by straying of topic.

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Some advice you might want to take yourself, rather than defaulting to ad hominem ploys.
So what are we getting for our billions of borrowed dollars? Follow the money? Hopefully, more NATO bases. That’s always been the point, along with lots more income for American corporations. Ukraine? Collateral damage, but no US casualties minimizes domestic resistance to the program. Yes it seems that now we’re spending more on interest than on the military, but that’s no problem. For now, anyway.

 

[Dakar34]

It’s long been clear that pushing NATO membership for Ukraine would likely lead to war.

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2014/december/crimean-question-and-nato-strategy