Theory that CHL+ Concealed handgun = I can carry an illegal knife/club

[Texan2]

Re: Theory that CHL+Concealed handgun=I can carry an illegal knife/club

Then how are we expected to be law abiding citizens and stay out of trouble?

Use common sense and keep your fingers crossed.


No in reality, people should be familiar with laws that apply to THEM. I dont need to know the laws that apply to plumbers, as that is not my field of endeavor. Nor do I need to know real estate law.

If I was going to carry a gun under the color of a CHL I would try to know as much as possible about that area...
Truck driver's need to know the laws that relate to their field...


I think you get my point.

 

[M. Sage]

Re: Theory that CHL+Concealed handgun=I can carry an illegal knife/club

Use common sense and keep your fingers crossed.


No in reality, people should be familiar with laws that apply to THEM. I dont need to know the laws that apply to plumbers, as that is not my field of endeavor. Nor do I need to know real estate law.

If I was going to carry a gun under the color of a CHL I would try to know as much as possible about that area...
Truck driver's need to know the laws that relate to their field...


I think you get my point.

It's actually impossible to keep from violating the law by mistake. People in the US commit an average of four federal felonies a day, without ever realizing it. Depending on the state you live in, that count can go up by a lot. The sheer number of idiotic things illegal in California. For example, they literally will make up a new species just to add it to an endangered list - like the "dusky-footed wood rat." It was just a normal Norwegian brown; or close enough that it's impossible to tell the difference, but it was endangered. Woe to you if the state found out you got one in a trap...

 

[matefrio]

Re: Theory that CHL+Concealed handgun=I can carry an illegal knife/club

Continued: http://www.texasguntalk.com/forums/...8912-b-o-w-i-e-club-edcing-illegal-knife.html

 

[majormadmax]

Re: Theory that CHL+Concealed handgun=I can carry an illegal knife/club

It's actually impossible to keep from violating the law by mistake. People in the US commit an average of four federal felonies a day, without ever realizing it. Depending on the state you live in, that count can go up by a lot. The sheer number of idiotic things illegal in California. For example, they literally will make up a new species just to add it to an endangered list - like the "dusky-footed wood rat." It was just a normal Norwegian brown; or close enough that it's impossible to tell the difference, but it was endangered. Woe to you if the state found out you got one in a trap...

I for one would like to see where you found that statistic...and don't quote Silverglate, as he pulled that number out his civil-liberties lawyer ass to sell his book! (And even he said it was only three!). It had absolutely no basis whatsoever, and is only to appeal to the tin hat wearing crowd who constantly believe that everyone in the government is out to get them...

 

[M. Sage]

Re: Theory that CHL+Concealed handgun=I can carry an illegal knife/club

I for one would like to see where you found that statistic...and don't quote Silverglate, as he pulled that number out his civil-liberties lawyer ass to sell his book! (And even he said it was only three!). It had absolutely no basis whatsoever, and is only to appeal to the tin hat wearing crowd who constantly believe that everyone in the government is out to get them...

Was it only three? Oops.

I still find that plausible.

 

[matefrio]

The Honorable Vince Ryan
Harris County Attorney
10 19 Congress, 15th Floor
Houston, Texas 77002




Dear Mr. Ryan,


As a resident of Harris county and on behalf of several Concealed Handgun License holders I wish to inquire your opinion of the following TX CHL and weapon laws.


I have highlighted the law with the reference to the full law in the link below.


Sec. 46.15. NONAPPLICABILITY. (a) Sections 46.02 and 46.03 do not apply to:
(b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:
(6) is carrying a concealed handgun and a valid license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a concealed handgun of the same category as the handgun the person is carrying;



Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club


PENAL CODE  CHAPTER 46. WEAPONS


In your opinion, is it lawful therefore to carry a illegal knife, or club when lawfully and legally carrying a concealed handgun under the concealed handgun license?




Thank you,

 

[Kimber_me_timbers]

Three federal felonies a day? Maybe its possible that there are three times the number of federal felonies a day than the total adult population of the U.S...

I may commit infractions daily, mostly pertaining to traffic/parking laws, that I may not notice, but I am fairly certain that I have never committed a federal felony without knowing full well that I was doing it and the possible consequences having been fully considered before I did it.

Don't scoff at me, everybody in here has at one point or another intentionally committed a felony, thus making us all felons, its just most of us havent been caught.

To say that most people unintentionally commit three felonies a day is ascinine. Plain and simple.

 

[Renegade]

Three federal felonies a day? Maybe its possible that there are three times the number of federal felonies a day than the total adult population of the U.S...

I may commit infractions daily, mostly pertaining to traffic/parking laws, that I may not notice, but I am fairly certain that I have never committed a federal felony without knowing full well that I was doing it and the possible consequences having been fully considered before I did it.

Don't scoff at me, everybody in here has at one point or another intentionally committed a felony, thus making us all felons, its just most of us havent been caught.

To say that most people unintentionally commit three felonies a day is ascinine. Plain and simple.

Obviously it depends upon what you do, but most people commit felonies everyday without knowing it.

Every time fire a firearm you may have committed a felony, unless of course you personally counted the number of imported parts it contains and know for a FACT it is 10 or less.

There are countless other ways, but this is one simple example gun-owners could understand.


ETA:

Another, common is to copy, download, whatever music or video. If you ever saw one of those Hitler videos on youtube, than you illegally copied it to your computer when you watched it. Quoted too much text when hotlinking to on on-line article? Copyright Infrignement, another felony.

 

[txinvestigator]

The Honorable Vince Ryan
Harris County Attorney
10 19 Congress, 15th Floor
Houston, Texas 77002




Dear Mr. Ryan,


As a resident of Harris county and on behalf of several Concealed Handgun License holders I wish to inquire your opinion of the following TX CHL and weapon laws.


I have highlighted the law with the reference to the full law in the link below.


Sec. 46.15. NONAPPLICABILITY. (a) Sections 46.02 and 46.03 do not apply to:
(b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:
(6) is carrying a concealed handgun and a valid license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a concealed handgun of the same category as the handgun the person is carrying;



Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club


PENAL CODEÂ*Â*CHAPTER 46. WEAPONS


In your opinion, is it lawful therefore to carry a illegal knife, or club when lawfully and legally carrying a concealed handgun under the concealed handgun license?




Thank you,

I would remove what I highlighted for clarity.

I would also include my person synopsis of how I believe the law applies here.

 

[majormadmax]

Obviously it depends upon what you do, but most people commit felonies everyday without knowing it.

Every time fire a firearm you may have committed a felony, unless of course you personally counted the number of imported parts it contains and know for a FACT it is 10 or less.

There are countless other ways, but this is one simple example gun-owners could understand.


ETA:

Another, common is to copy, download, whatever music or video. If you ever saw one of those Hitler videos on youtube, than you illegally copied it to your computer when you watched it. Quoted too much text when hotlinking to on on-line article? Copyright Infrignement, another felony.

Nice try, but most of us don't commit three felonies a day...

 

[TheDan]

Three unintentional felonies a day? I'm one of those folks that believes the government is trying to control you through superfluous laws, but I find the felonies hard to imagine. Replace that with unintentional misdemeanors and it's much more plausible. Misdemeanors are nothing to laugh at... I think you'd find 6mo to a year in jail would really screw up your life.

Unless you live in a bubble, you're breaking some kind of law.


Edit: I'd like to add I don't consider government any more evil than I would a tiger. Given the chance however, they'd both eat me. It's just in their nature.

 

[Renegade]

Nice try, but most of us don't commit three felonies a day...

Most people do not have the US code memorized, and have no idea what crimes they are committing.

 

[Renegade]

The Honorable Vince Ryan
Harris County Attorney
10 19 Congress, 15th Floor
Houston, Texas 77002




Dear Mr. Ryan,


As a resident of Harris county and on behalf of several Concealed Handgun License holders I wish to inquire your opinion of the following TX CHL and weapon laws.


I have highlighted the law with the reference to the full law in the link below.


Sec. 46.15. NONAPPLICABILITY. (a) Sections 46.02 and 46.03 do not apply to:
(b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:
(6) is carrying a concealed handgun and a valid license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a concealed handgun of the same category as the handgun the person is carrying;



Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club


PENAL CODEÂ*Â*CHAPTER 46. WEAPONS


In your opinion, is it lawful therefore to carry a illegal knife, or club when lawfully and legally carrying a concealed handgun under the concealed handgun license?




Thank you,

You can't seriously be thinking of sending that?

 

[matefrio]

You can't seriously be thinking of sending that?

Why not?

 

[Renegade]

Why not?

Why would you?

Why would you think a a County DA has any authority to interpret the law for you for free?

If you want legal advice, hire a lawyer.

 

[matefrio]

Why would you?

Why would you think a a County DA has any authority to interpret the law for you for free?

If you want legal advice, hire a lawyer.

This is exactly the type of law the DA is responsible to interpret and he'll kick it up the chain if he doens't know. Got to think that the Harris County DA works for the people not a private practice.

 

[Renegade]

This is exactly the type of law the DA is responsible to interpret and he'll kick it up the chain if he doens't know. Got to think that the Harris County DA works for the people not a private practice.

I am pretty sure he cannot give you legal advice.

I know the State AG cannot.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

... People in the US commit an average of four federal felonies a day, without ever realizing it. ...

Pfft. Weak.

I shoot for four before lunch, of course, I'm tryin'

 

[Texan2]

I am pretty sure he cannot give you legal advice.

I know the State AG cannot.

^^^This

 

[Kimber_me_timbers]

Obviously it depends upon what you do, but most people commit felonies everyday without knowing it.

Every time fire a firearm you may have committed a felony, unless of course you personally counted the number of imported parts it contains and know for a FACT it is 10 or less.

There are countless other ways, but this is one simple example gun-owners could understand.


ETA:

Another, common is to copy, download, whatever music or video. If you ever saw one of those Hitler videos on youtube, than you illegally copied it to your computer when you watched it. Quoted too much text when hotlinking to on on-line article? Copyright Infrignement, another felony.

I have a few firearms that are imported. I have a yugo sks, and a german luger 9mm adorned with swastikas and iron eagles and whatnot that had actually been carried by a german officer in WWII. I know for a fact they both contain more that ten parts each, and I know for a fact that all of the parts are imported. So you're saying that I have committed a felony by owning those? I'm really wanting to know here because I have never heard anything like that before.