On the distance thing: Years ago we strapped a S&W model 36 (Chief 5 shot 38 SP 2" barrel) into a Ransom Rest. Best I remember at 50 yds it was grouping under 3" using Federal Match 148ge HBWC. So much for barrel length, the biggest difference was sight radius.
I agree 100% with all you said room clearing tactics are for someone who doesn’t know the layout and is looking for a hidden target. I know my house layout and a home invader isn’t hiding from me.
Long range my ass average shooting is under 7 yards and takes less that 1.2 seconds start to finished.
Most people live in urban neighborhoods on lots averaging 60x120ft there is no long range need here and if you pull out your deer rifle with 3.5-10x you’ll have a hell of a time justifying self defense
Vehicles haha most people think their 9 or 40 will penetrate a windshield IT WONT especially not head on the windshield angles are to steep for vehicle aerodynamics low velocity small caliber won’t penetrate no matter how many action movies shows it. (hint shoot down on to the windshield to penetrate need to contact it flat angle)
If you want to learn skills then learn to draw from deep concealment. Learn to fire accurately from the hip. Learn trigger control.
Most importantly Learn Zanshin (a state of awareness, of relaxed alertness).
Most people are so unaware of their surroundings they are screwed before they even realize there is a threat.
That’s what kept me alive as a cop. And I teach as a trainer.
In your comment you mention being a cop. Am I to assume you’ve shot through windshields in real life or in training? I’ve shot through windshields,side windows, and back glass. My findings for 9 mm, 40 S&W, and 223 don’t mirror your comment.
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Did some instructor level training that involved shooting a hole in the windshield and using it as a shooting port. Both from inside a vehicle and outside.Yes and I experience and I have not seen penetrations one windshields
Side and rear yes but not front
Did some instructor level training that involved shooting a hole in the windshield and using it as a shooting port. Both from inside a vehicle and outside.
Most of the students were using 9mm or 40s&w. 100% of shots fired put holes in the windshields.
This was a LE training class I was able to get in as a commissioned security instructor
If someone wants to live up to their own low expectations I’m cool with that. If they think they can measure my abilities by their standards they can fornicate themselves with a cactus.
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In your comment you mention being a cop. Am I to assume you’ve shot through windshields in real life or in training? I’ve shot through windshields,side windows, and back glass. My findings for 9 mm, 40 S&W, and 223 don’t mirror your comment.
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This bodycam video would seem to refute your assertion on bullets vs windshields.I agree 100% with all you said room clearing tactics are for someone who doesn’t know the layout and is looking for a hidden target. I know my house layout and a home invader isn’t hiding from me.
Long range my ass average shooting is under 7 yards and takes less that 1.2 seconds start to finished.
Most people live in urban neighborhoods on lots averaging 60x120ft there is no long range need here and if you pull out your deer rifle with 3.5-10x you’ll have a hell of a time justifying self defense
Vehicles haha most people think their 9 or 40 will penetrate a windshield IT WONT especially not head on the windshield angles are to steep for vehicle aerodynamics low velocity small caliber won’t penetrate no matter how many action movies shows it. (hint shoot down on to the windshield to penetrate need to contact it flat angle)
If you want to learn skills then learn to draw from deep concealment. Learn to fire accurately from the hip. Learn trigger control.
Most importantly Learn Zanshin (a state of awareness, of relaxed alertness).
Most people are so unaware of their surroundings they are screwed before they even realize there is a threat.
That’s what kept me alive as a cop. And I teach as a trainer.
This bodycam video would seem to refute your assertion on bullets vs windshields.
I've seen a pile of windshields with a lot of 9mm holes going right through them from a PD testing a variety of duty ammo on them for that very reason. Their findings match yours as well.
I have seen those also even shot at some myself.
there is a difference between a broken windshield propped up while someone stands over it shooting down at an angle to make the impact 90 degrees to the glass
and a windshield properly mounted in a vehicle at an angle designed to have the best deflection it can for aerodynamics.
Now make that a moving vehicle that creates its own upward air turbulence and penetration becomes an issue.
Real world vs shooting range can have a big impact on outcomes and I think people should be aware of this before they have to find out the hard way (heaven forbid).
I have seen those also even shot at some myself.
there is a difference between a broken windshield propped up while someone stands over it shooting down at an angle to make the impact 90 degrees to the glass
and a windshield properly mounted in a vehicle at an angle designed to have the best deflection it can for aerodynamics.
Now make that a moving vehicle that creates its own upward air turbulence and penetration becomes an issue.
Real world vs shooting range can have a big impact on outcomes and I think people should be aware of this before they have to find out the hard way (heaven forbid).