straw purchases. my view from behind the counter.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I think it's funny that the troll who started this thread hasn't even been involved in the last two pages, lmao......

On another note, of he doesn't take action to prevent what he's stated to have known or assumed to be a straw purchase, he needs to leave his job. He took the position with the intention and knowledge of what he had to do. All he is now, is the local gun shop hookup for Operation Fast and Furious.

 

[Glockster69]

The NRA is run by people more interested in raising money than protecting any rights, much less the Second Amendment.

And the PREMIER alternative would be?

Quislings suck.


Alex

Still drumming up support for the cause I see. How's that working out for you?

 

[wolfsburg]

This troll has been working his ass off. I wasnt talking about wanting any limits on purchases by law abiding citizens. I dont care how many we buy and i sure as hell wouldnt want any limits for "us" the good guys. I was talking about the amount of blatent atempts buy THOSE trolls to aquire the weapons and how much it actualy does bother me. Iv even been threatened by these people on more then a few occasions. I was just venting my fustration with these situations. Hell, Its bad enough I'v told by my managment and the BATF that "I care to much" about these things. i'v got a conscience, so sue me. I do plenty and just wish more would be done by others.

 

[wakal]

Still drumming up support for the cause I see. How's that working out for you?

Great, thanks for asking

I like a spirited discussion! Too many are willing to let Quislings get by because they are not willing to stand up for what is right instead of for what is socially acceptable.

 

[ROGER4314]

The gigantic response to the "are you an NRA member?" and "Are you a registered voter?" questions speaks volumes. Most of our guys would rather puff up, strut around and make violent threats about protecting their rights rather than do anything constructive and lawful to rein in our runaway government.

THAT, gentlemen is why those Washington scoundrels have screwed us so effectively in the past. Because they could.

Lesson learned................ (as he walks away shaking his head in disbelief).

=========================================================================

I'm NOT playing their game any more. It's time that we defend OUR rights as vigorously as others do theirs.

I remember very well when every two-bit politician took shots at firearms owners and portrayed us as drunken, knuckle dragging barbarians. The NRA has given us legitimacy through their constant challenges in the courts and NONE of that would have happened without the NRA! Sure, they need money. How the Hell do you think that court crap is paid for? Lawyers don't work for free but NRA does that FOR you!

I am very aggressive in defense of my Second Amendment rights and will mount and ride a liberal just like Ted Nugent does! Watch some of his
tapes online. The guy is pure poetry! Tom Selleck did a fair job with Skeeter's favorite chubby little troll Rosie O'Donnell. The fact is that things are turning our way and we must stand firm but hiding behind a computer keyboard is not gonna cut it.

Get OUT, bring the message to the streets and businesses. If a business discriminates against you because you lawfully carry a firearm then leave and TELL them why you're leaving!

Bring the same message to the ballot box and to the Legislators via the NRA! If you aren't willing or able to go to Washington, DC, then the NRA will do that for you, but you gotta join!

Flash

 

[shooterfpga]

The gigantic response to the "are you an NRA member?" and "Are you a registered voter?" questions speaks volumes. Most of our guys would rather puff up, strut around and make violent threats about protecting their rights rather than do anything constructive and lawful to rein in our runaway government.

THAT, gentlemen is why those Washington scoundrels screw us so effectively! Because they can.

Lesson learned................ (as he walks away shaking his head in disbelief).

Flash

i think the lawful way has been proven to be ineffective, yet people continue to do it hoping one more time will do the trick and magically come out with a different result. maybe thats why theyre being quiet in this thread.

i honestly cant think of a legal case in a anti gun state, where the nra did anything for the people. except when someone else has already done all the footwork, then the nra comes in and speaks for 30 seconds and declares it a victory for themselves. at this point i feel the nra, is another jesse jackson, gloria alred, mediawhore only out for themselves. and i am talking presently, not past tense what they may or may not have accomplished single handedly. in my mind the nra and unions had their place and time but both are useless now except for continuing to spout all the good things they used to be known for and not giving new results.

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[ROGER4314]

My God, where have you been? Our wins in the Supreme Court reaffirmed our INDIVIDUAL right to own firearms. The Shumer bunch always maintained that firearms could only be owned by formal, official militia members. Now it has been made clear. YOU have the right to own firearms as a citizen of the US. The Washington DC and Chicago firearms restrictions were struck down. Who did that?

If your mind is made up, I can't help you. It's a nice day and I'm not going to waste it fooling with you.

Flash

 

[shooterfpga]

My God, where have you been? Our wins in the Supreme Court reaffirmed our INDIVIDUAL right to own firearms. The Shumer bunch always maintained that firearms could only be owned by formal, official militia members. Now it has been made clear. YOU have the right to own firearms as a citizen of the US. The Washington DC and Chicago firearms restrictions were struck down. Who did that?

If your mind is made up, I can't help you. It's a nice day and I'm not going to waste it fooling with you.

Flash

private non nra lawyers like alan gura?

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[smschulz]

I emphasize the word "needs", who needs to buy 3 aks or ars at once. The correct answer, Nobody.

I find this albeit any good intention to be offensive just as offensive as the term "sensible gun regulations" .

 

[ROGER4314]

"sensible gun regulations" .

It's amazing how annoying a phrase like that becomes in the hands of Libtards. In fact the Fleetwood Mac song "Don't stop thinking about tomorrow......" was used in Bill Clinton's victory celebration when he won the presidency. I used to love that song but I can't stand to hear it, now.

Flash

 

[wakal]

Who did that?

As ShooterFPGA said, Alan Gura and his team of NON-NRA lawyers did it.

Despite the NRA.

The NRA has the huge membership and the large bankroll, but they were BEHIND the NFA, GCA'68, FOPA, and the "Assault weapons" nonsense. They tried to quash Heller, and only joined at the last minute to get some press. After the "good old boy" takeover that put LaPierre in power forever (two and a half mil a year, really Wayne?), I suspect that the NRA is a paper tiger that actively conspires with their friends on the left (like they did with the NFA, GCA, and FOPA).

But, those who refuse to do their own research and swallow the NRA Kool-Aid are hard to reach with pesky things like...facts. None so blind as those who will not see...

Alex

"The National Rifle Association has been in support of workable, enforceable gun control legislation since its very inception in 1871."
—NRA Executive Vice President Franklin L. Orth
NRA's American Rifleman Magazine, March 1968, P. 22

"The NRA supported The National Firearms Act of 1934 which taxes and requires registration of such firearms as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and sawed-off shotguns. ... NRA support of Federal gun legislation did not stop with the earlier Dodd bills. It currently backs several Senate and House bills which, through amendment, would put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts." —American Rifleman, March 1968, P. 22

"The NRA supported The Federal Firearms Act of 1938, which regulates interstate and foreign commerce in firearms and pistol or revolver ammunition..." (P. 22)

"The NRA supported the original 'Dodd Bill' to amend the Federal Firearms Act in regard to handguns when it was introduced as S.1975 in August, 1963. Among its provisions was the requirement that a purchaser submit a notarized statement to the shipper that he was over 18 and not legally disqualified from possessing a handgun." (P. 22)

"We think it's reasonable to support the federal "GUN FREE SCHOOL ZONES" Act ... We think it's reasonable to expect full enforcement of federal firearms laws by the federal government. ... That's why we support PROJECT EXILE -- the fierce prosecution of federal gun laws...we think it's reasonable because it works. ... We only support what works and our list is proud."

—NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre
Congressional Testimony, May 27, 1999
Hearing Before 106th Congress
House of Representatives
Committee On The Judiciary
Subcommittee On Crime
First Session

 

[ROGER4314]

Good deal! Sit at your computer, don't vote and bash the NRA at every turn. Sounds like a plan!

Flash

 

[ChunkyMonkey]

Apparently some people act, others ride coat tails.

 

[wakal]

Some Quislings are more equal than others, at least in their own minds. The NRA, for example.

GOA and JFPO take the fight to the enemy.

The only year that I did not vote was the year I got to Hawaii...they wouldn't let me vote because I didn't vote in their primary. Not that it mattered, because Mr. Blue Dress had already won enough electoral votes by the time that little Socialist paradise got around to pretending to vote that it didn't matter one way or another.

More fun than voting is to actually keep track of your congresscritters and write, call, and email them regularly with your thoughts on actions they have taken and actions that you would like them to take. One issue per letter/call seems to work best, by the way.

And one last note...having worked with LaPierre directly, my opinion of him as a slimy car salesman is based on first hand knowledge. He told me to my face that the NRA was far more interested in raising money than they were in any "rights" fighting. Good times.

Alex

 

[TexasRedneck]

Alex...it's always good to know where someone stands - for me, as a 3rd-generation Life Member, I happen to believe in the NRA - and so I guess I'm one of the names you love to toss out. It also tells me that there's one less place I need to check out locally. Kinda a shame - but frankly one thing I've learned over the years is to respect the thoughts and opinions of others (within reason).

 

[lalonguecarabine]

Not in the habit of going after Senior Members of this forum. Especially when they are ones who I admire and pay strong attention to.

Quisling is synonymous for "traitor" and it's a personal tag that is bound to create hard feelings amongst our members. Please chill out so we don't get this thread locked up.

Started out great! We were all having a fairly decent discussion, and trying to remind some of our fellow members to remain civil.

Then... you got crazy:

You guys talk big and I listened to all of this so I have the right to ask.............
Are you members of the NRA?
Are you registered to vote?
These are fair questions and I'd like to know how serious you are about defending our rights under the Constitution?
It's time to shxt or get off the pot!
Where do you stand?

Nice going. You added a BS qualifier that does not apply to every gun owner. (more on this in a bit)
The guy that was being uncivil and name calling met these qualifiers you outlined. Now he thinks he can do it all the more!

The gigantic response to the "are you an NRA member?" and "Are you a registered voter?" questions speaks volumes. Most of our guys would rather puff up, strut around and make violent threats about protecting their rights rather than do anything constructive and lawful to rein in our runaway government.

The gigantic response of nothing that you saw was little more than evidence that not all of us sit at the monitor staring at the TGT screen 24/7. You work your ass off too, Flash. I know you've probably gone hours or sometimes days before logging back on to TGT. Very recently, I know I've been off for nearly a week at a time.

 

[lalonguecarabine]

As to your questions of are we registered, are we NRA members, etc. etc:


I am registered to vote. I have been since I could register.



I've been an NRA member, but it's been years.
I don't think the NRA is unimportant. I don't share the silly conspiracy theories about them being “in bed” with gun grabbers.
I'm just poor! I afford what I can, and that is one expense that I have simply written off until I'm better able to. I know it ain't much, but every little bit helps!

I don't have an arsenal of weapons. I've got two pistols and an old WW1 rifle that I treasure like I was the soldier that carried it!
I don't shoot as often as I'd like because I don't have unlimited stores of ammo to pull from.
Didja see me pop off that whole hundred rounds at the last get together? That's all I had the money for!
And – I don't care. I'm not here to “boo-hoo” my pisspoor financial situation that I've gotten myself into. I'm just here to remind you that at least one gun owner (me!) gives a damn about the NRA, but I'm not a member. Right now! That will change.
I liked being an NRA member. I look forward to being a member again.


I'll refrain from launching into a dissertation about how I am a law abiding citizen. Hard worker who is continually recognized for my hard work at any job I'm at. Served eight years in the military, quite voluntarily. Good example of gun owners who is constantly talking to non-gun people and getting them to see that we're not knuckle dragging cavemen. Etc. Etc.

 

[stdreb27]

The reality is, you'll never agree with everything an organization does, whether it be CCA, NRA or whatever, you have the responsibility I decide whether the differences are enough to not support the organization, personally, while I do find some of the positions that the NRA has taken troubling, it isn't enough to discredit the whole body of work that they have done...
Despite all the power the anti-gun crowd has in office, they haven't been able to do anything, other than rattle their sabers... And I really do think the NRA should be credited for it...

 

[TheDan]

kept me up at night or staring into space on my lunch break ... think what some of the weapons out there are doing ... im not talking about the 30-06 i sell to hunters or the g26 to the chl holder or the revolver i sold to a single mother of 3 on layaway to prtect herself and children ... weapons that could be used to murder innocent ... have and carry extremely powerfull weapons ... hord weapons i wish i could afford to buy ... tons of weapons so much more powerful then anything i own presently. ...id realy like to hear what you guys think.....

I think the Bradys have gotten under your skin. Your words sound a lot like their's...

i have just gone by what the batf has told me. its always, "well if they dont give enough reason to suspect otherwise just sell it and let us handle it"

I'm not surprised they told you this. The upper management of the BAFTE wants illegal sales to occur so they can justify their existence, and it furthers the agenda of the politicians that write their paychecks. Do we need to go over letting guns walk any more?

Regardless what the BAFTE says about "letting them handle it", if you don't feel comfortable selling to someone, then don't. That's a personal responsibility and choice you can make. I'm not so sure I'd trust your judgment based on the language in your original post, however.

1. Are you members of the NRA?
2. Are you registered to vote?
3. how serious you are about defending our rights under the Constitution?
4. It's time to shxt or get off the pot!
5. Where do you stand?

1. yes, although I don't see this as a requirement to being a 2A supporter
2. yes
3. Pretty darn serious. I took an oath to do so and I'm not released from that as far as I know. For right now I believe our best course of action is to discuss, write our reps, and vote. If we ever have to do more, I'm down with that as well.
4. I prefer to relax, take my time and read a magazine. My colon seems more "productive" that way.
5. On my feet?? If I'm understanding the context of this question correctly, then 1-4 should provide the answer.

 

[Texastransplant]

Well I have to check on on this one too as a former ffl holder. 4 or 5 cases of a straw purchaser? That to me is strange and to worry that every gun you sell is going to be used for a crime. That's the same feeling Bloombery, the Joyce Foundation, Brady and anti gunners use. People are different what might be perceived wrong might just be a differnt personality, from a differnt location or... many times when a guy is buying a gun the pulse rate is up, almost nervious because he's excited and in some cases trying to keep it from the spouse lol. I ran into two types of "straw purchasers" in my 7 years of doing it. One is the most common, they flat out tell you without a second thought that they are buying for somone else... in that case I didn't sell. The other and this was back in Illinois was the hispanic and I am not a hispanic hater. Poor english, they come in at two at a timem and want usually what is not allowed in Mexico 9mm etc. In those situations I would start out by saying, most of these are samples you can look at them but I will have to order. Then I'd ask for their FOID card, a card we had to have in Illinois to own, buy a firearm. That usually ended it. Unless the person is out of control, bellilgerant then you can sell as long as they pass the records check. Plain and simple if they walk in and are buying for an adult and it's a blatent straw purchase you just tell them that and it can't be completed. I find it really hard that 4 or 5 a week because that would only add to the anti's agenda. Folks that are differnt from you in dress, talk, aren't straw purchasers.