Shooting at Empire State Building

[Domineaux]

16 shots fired by police with 7 hits on the suspect (amazingly good ratio sadly) from approximately 8 ft....9 misses appear to all be accounted for as injuring bystanders....wow that's epic fail.

But at least Pelosi can't bi+ch about it being "the big clips" since the suspect had an 8 round 1911.

 

[Younggun]

Sounds like a murder followed by a mass shooting conducted by NYPD.

Maybe Bloomberg should remove firearms from all the cities law enforcement to prevent these tragedies.


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[M. Sage]

Seems like about every month or two....there's some story out of NYC about some really high round count gunfight. Makes me wonder if those folks ever do any pro-active training/range time/practice on their own dime and time.?..

One of my buddies is a cop in NC. His department has a range and all he's got to do is show up and they give him ammo. I was like "goddamn, I'd spend 4 hours a day shooting."

 

[Dredge]

Sounds like a murder followed by a mass shooting conducted by NYPD.

Maybe Bloomberg should remove firearms from all the cities law enforcement to prevent these tragedies.


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Right! Maybe Bloomberg will use England as an example.....
Bad guy commits a crime and police give chase shouting "Halt or I'll ....uh......whistle and throw my stick at you!"

 

[Dredge]

One of my buddies is a cop in NC. His department has a range and all he's got to do is show up and they give him ammo. I was like "goddamn, I'd spend 4 hours a day shooting."

Sounds like a good enough incentive to me.....I would spend a lot of time there especially if it were free ammo.
It's still on the individual to practice beyond the "requirements". I'm not LE but I do have a lot of family and friends that are.
Some are more inclined to practice on their own than others. Those that practice more, miss less.

 

[M. Sage]

Looks more and more like the innocents hit are going to have .40 caliber holes in them:
Empire State Building shooting victims say NYPD fired 'randomly' into street | World news | guardian.co.uk

 

[M. Sage]

Sounds like a good enough incentive to me.....I would spend a lot of time there especially if it were free ammo.
It's still on the individual to practice beyond the "requirements". I'm not LE but I do have a lot of family and friends that are.
Some are more inclined to practice on their own than others. Those that practice more, miss less.

Yep, it's free to him ammo. I'd have real trouble not taking too much advantage of it.

"Sage, why did our ammunition budget double when you hired on?" LOL

 

[Dredge]

Yep, it's free to him ammo. I'd have real trouble not taking too much advantage of it.

"Sage, why did our ammunition budget double when you hired on?" LOL

Right!
I think of it like a "all you can eat Chinese buffet" outside Camp LeJeune I used to go to.......
Eventually I would be told "You go now! You no make me go broke!" Ha!

 

[smtimelevi]

Right!
I think of it like a "all you can eat Chinese buffet" outside Camp LeJeune I used to go to.......
Eventually I would be told "You go now! You no make me go broke!" Ha!

"you eat too many shrimp, you need eat noodle!"

 

[deemus]

I'm shocked. The story said the guy's arm was cocked. I've never seen a cock on an arm.

 

[Younggun]

Looks more and more like the innocents hit are going to have .40 caliber holes in them:
Empire State Building shooting victims say NYPD fired 'randomly' into street | World news | guardian.co.uk

Not surprised at how the media seems to be avoiding this part of the story, all I saw was a passing mention that "some bystanders may have been injured by police".


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[orbitup]

I'm shocked. The story said the guy's arm was cocked. I've never seen a cock on an arm.

 

[Texastransplant]

The video of the shooting is on theblaze Yep 7-9 feet and lots of missed shots. The BG didn't get a shot off, 5 shot hit the guy he killed, and one round was in the mag and the police ejected one round.

My question is "why do they talk about how many this guy could have killed" he had another mag in his briefcase but didn't reload, not much mass murdering with two rounds. As the the police, they need to aim better at the distance they were.

Place blame where blame should be due, sure to the killer but some really needs to go to the police.

 

[orbitup]

Here is the video.

Graphic video shows police killing ESB gunman - CBS News Video

 

[deemus]

How about that. Now I have...

 

[RetArmySgt]

Police: All Empire State shooting victims were wounded by officers - CNN.com

 

[res1b3uq]

I think NY mayor should begin by disarming his body guards and announce it on radio, TV, and newspaper--that is, if he lasted that long.

 

[Flewda]

There are lots of comments on heavy trigger pulls on the NYPD guns. The first comment made me think it was just a joke poking at Bloomberg, but now I am wondering to the cops there really have modified guns to have heavier trigger pulls? That would be so nuts, if true, but somehow not at all surprising.

 

[M. Sage]

There are lots of comments on heavy trigger pulls on the NYPD guns. The first comment made me think it was just a joke poking at Bloomberg, but now I am wondering to the cops there really have modified guns to have heavier trigger pulls? That would be so nuts, if true, but somehow not at all surprising.

Yes. They have to have a 12 pound trigger pull.

That said, it's not like it's impossible to hit targets with a heavy pull. Sig says the DA pull on my P226 is 10 lbs, and I've made hits out to 35-40 yards that way. I don't think an extra 2 lbs on the trigger would affect my ability much. Then again, I'd bet a lot of money I shoot more than your average police officer...

 

[Bithabus]

Here's a case where gun control would actually have prevented the shooting of innocents: by disarming the poorly trained and anti-gun NYPD.