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[M. Sage]

So let me get this straight - it's okay for someone to speak hatefully so long as you, a moderator, shamefully agrees with the hate speech? My argument on this isn't about classic or modern liberals per se, we've certainly beaten that dead horse. Let's say I just change the hateful word 'libtard' to another hateful word and see if you'd still be okay with the hate speech.

Would that have been okay? No? So why is some hateful speech okay and other hateful speech NOT?

Of course not, but this is apples and oranges. Liberals aren't born that way, are they? Is it a skin color that they cannot wash off? Is it a racial identifier?

No. It's a chosen ideology. A more apt analogy would be (and I don't mean it as a direct comparison, just to make a point):

NAMBLA are void of any morals, just the same ol same from these turds.

Don't like Klansmen and consider them a pimple on the @ss of society, take it any way you want.

Now... would it be wrong to say this? Of course not - these are ideologies that are almost universally identified as being wrong and destructive.

Now let me state flat-out (and I know I've shared some of this with you before) that the years I lived in California, and what I've seen by watching my original home in Michigan slide into ruin has been a learning experience. I'm also a history nut who's paid a bit of attention to what has happened over time - what they say about knowing the past is true. My close contact with all those liberals, all that I've read of history and what happens when their policies dominate has taught me one thing.

Liberalism is a wrong and destructive ideology.

 

[Clockwork]

I understand where you're coming from with the NAMBLA and Klansman analogy but neither one of those terms is considered to be derogatory, which is where my argument stems from. I can understand a person saying "Liberals are what's wrong with this country." and can agree with it but if they instead said "Libtards are what's wrong with this country" it becomes offensive.

Liberals aren't born that way, are they? Is it a skin color that they cannot wash off? Is it a racial identifier?

It could be argued that they are raised that way by liberal parents but at the same time a lot liberal parents have a conservative child or visa versa, is it possible that this is just how somebody believes based on their own personal life experiences and IF that is the case then it isn't something that a person can simply "wash off" as you put it.

 

[TheDan]

too many Obama supporters sat back and waited for him "to do all the work."

hahahaha... well I guess thats what you get for encouraging an entitlement attitude in your supporters.

 

[MiTX]

So let me get this straight - it's okay for someone to speak hatefully so long as you, a moderator, shamefully agrees with the hate speech? My argument on this isn't about classic or modern liberals per se, we've certainly beaten that dead horse. Let's say I just change the hateful word 'libtard' to another hateful word and see if you'd still be okay with the hate speech.





Would that have been okay? No? So why is some hateful speech okay and other hateful speech NOT?

I was gonna stay out of this, but I find just cannot control myself.
FIRST of all, being a liberal is NOT a protected class... yet.
Unless of course you count being protected by those laying down their lives for them, or they actually know how to use a firearm.
Second, HATE SPEECH?
Hate speech? You have GOT to be kidding me!
My mouth is open in surprise that I even saw that statement on this forum.
1st Amendment folks.
Hate speech, thought police, jeebus, what is next?

 

[Clockwork]

Using a derogatory term to describe a group of individuals is hateful any way you slice it, MiTX.

 

[MiTX]

Dear heavens I had no idea the PC police were here.

 

[Clockwork]

Dear heavens I had no idea the PC police were here.

You confuse political correctness with being respectful to your fellow man.

 

[frijolero817]

So what if the speech is hateful? If he hates them, then it is appropriate. You criticized the poster for having a view, but in your own post you said that multiple views are what made America great. Where do you stand then? Freedom of speech or not? You also labeled a poster as paranoid for his views on Obama, but that's cool right; because you're opinion makes things ok? You criticized M. Sage for the same thing when he felt libtard was an appropriate label. I guess it is ok to call people paranoid then. I know where I stand, and so do other people here.

 

[MiTX]

Using a derogatory term to describe a group of individuals is hateful any way you slice it, MiTX.

I guess my question to you is...
Do you walk the walk, or just like to smack unsuspecting folks upside the head who happen to disagree with your agenda?

 

[frijolero817]

I guess my question to you is...
Do you walk the walk, or just like to smack unsuspecting folks upside the head who happen to disagree with your agenda?

great point!

 

[M. Sage]

You confuse political correctness with being respectful to your fellow man.

So.. I'm supposed to respect people who want to disarm me and deny my right to self defense? Respect people who want to abridge free speech on multiple fronts (McCain-Feingold-style laws, "Fairness" doctrine)? People who want to rob me at gunpoint by taking what I earn so it can be "shared" with others? Yeah... let me get right on that.

 

[Clockwork]

And you believe that every liberal is out to get you, to rob you at gunpoint, to take away your first and second amendment rights, to force socialism on you? It hadn't occurred to you that they may be pretty pissed off as well? You think they are all simply "retarded" for supporting different lying politicians than the lying politicians that you support? It hasn't occurred to you that most liberals also feel forced to vote for the lesser of two evils following a very public and very embarrassing eight years of lying conservative politics and lying conservative politicians?

 

[Texas1911]

And you believe that every liberal is out to get you, to rob you at gunpoint, to take away your first and second amendment rights, to force socialism on you? It hadn't occurred to you that they may be pretty pissed off as well? You think they are all simply "retarded" for supporting different lying politicians than the lying politicians that you support? It hasn't occurred to you that most liberals also feel forced to vote for the lesser of two evils following a very public and very embarrassing eight years of lying conservative politics and lying conservative politicians?

I find most liberals to be rather immature in their thought process. It's not an alpha mentality, and adds far too much complexity and mental degradation to nature as a whole. In that regard, they are retarded.

Liberalism has a root in Utopian ideology, and conservatism has a large root in historic reality (albeit somewhat pessimistic).

Simply respecting your fellow man is a Utopian ideology. It's based upon the relationship of personal gratification versus cost. Ultimately, people weigh their gratification on a differing scale, and you'll find that it's not one or the other.

 

[smschulz]

I find most liberals to be rather immature in their thought process. It's not an alpha mentality, and adds far too much complexity and mental degradation to nature as a whole. In that regard, they are retarded.

Liberalism has a root in Utopian ideology, and conservatism has a large root in historic reality (albeit somewhat pessimistic).

Simply respecting your fellow man is a Utopian ideology. It's based upon the relationship of personal gratification versus cost. Ultimately, people weigh their gratification on a differing scale, and you'll find that it's not one or the other.

If you want to boil down philosophies to the root level.
Liberals want government to provide for you and Conservatives want to provide for themselves.
Total reliance on the government is that of Communism, Socialism and total reliance on self (albeit noble in thought) is anarchy.

I would still say that the notion of self reliance is more noble than that of reliance of government.
The sense of entitlements is a self defeating philosophy.
Earning your way is much more to my way of thinking and much more satisfying, IMO.

Interesting is a true analogy of Liberal vs Conservative.
Too many have false views of the other side and a lack of respect for it as well.

Unfortunately, one side or another has mutated the objectives as Liberals are doing now to us.
It is apparent that their interests are corrupt as well as not the wishes of of the people.
It is equally apparent that agenda is simply not the welfare of the people.
The current Liberal agenda is far worse than anything that the Conservative agenda would do to the people.

Hence, Politics as usual.

 

[Clockwork]

So what if the speech is hateful? If he hates them, then it is appropriate. You criticized the poster for having a view, but in your own post you said that multiple views are what made America great. Where do you stand then? Freedom of speech or not? You also labeled a poster as paranoid for his views on Obama, but that's cool right; because you're opinion makes things ok? You criticized M. Sage for the same thing when he felt libtard was an appropriate label. I guess it is ok to call people paranoid then. I know where I stand, and so do other people here.

I'm Libertarian, as has been stated previously. I'm all for individual liberties such as freedom of speech and I love people to have their own opinions about something but an opinion doesn't have to include broad, derogatory garbage. It isn't constructive and places a negative label on a large number of people that don't have a voice on a conservative gun forum. Paranoia is a mental state, not a deragatory slur. I'll speak for those who aren't here to defend themselves since nobody else seems to have the integrity to do it. I've stood up for "gun toting hicks" more than once on other forums, so don't feel like this is just something that I'm randomly coming up with on the spot.

I guess my question to you is...
Do you walk the walk, or just like to smack unsuspecting folks upside the head who happen to disagree with your agenda?

I don't have an agenda in any of this, I just dislike seeing hateful speech. If someone were to simply replace the word "libtard" with "progressive liberal" I'd be perfectly all right with it.

 

[blacksheep]

Of course not, but this is apples and oranges. Liberals aren't born that way, are they? Is it a skin color that they cannot wash off? Is it a racial identifier?

No. It's a chosen ideology. A more apt analogy would be (and I don't mean it as a direct comparison, just to make a point):

Now... would it be wrong to say this? Of course not - these are ideologies that are almost universally identified as being wrong and destructive.

Now let me state flat-out (and I know I've shared some of this with you before) that the years I lived in California, and what I've seen by watching my original home in Michigan slide into ruin has been a learning experience. I'm also a history nut who's paid a bit of attention to what has happened over time - what they say about knowing the past is true. My close contact with all those liberals, all that I've read of history and what happens when their policies dominate has taught me one thing.

Liberalism is a wrong and destructive ideology.

wrong post, wasn't trying to quote sage' sorry.

 

[blacksheep]

I'm Libertarian, as has been stated previously. I'm all for individual liberties such as freedom of speech and I love people to have their own opinions about something but an opinion doesn't have to include broad, derogatory garbage. It isn't constructive and places a negative label on a large number of people that don't have a voice on a conservative gun forum. Paranoia is a mental state, not a deragatory slur. I'll speak for those who aren't here to defend themselves since nobody else seems to have the integrity to do it. I've stood up for "gun toting hicks" more than once on other forums, so don't feel like this is just something that I'm randomly coming up with on the spot.





I don't have an agenda in any of this, I just dislike seeing hateful speech. If someone were to simply replace the word "libtard" with "progressive liberal" I'd be perfectly all right with it.

Hate speech ? you are so silly, stop trolling with that nonsense and grow up.

 

[APatriot]

Listen up Youngster...

You confuse political correctness with being respectful to your fellow man.

Respect for my fellow man ends when "that man" disrespects my God and The Lordship of Jesus Christ, My Country (i.e., the Constitution), and My Family. I prefer the term progressive, but Libtard is fine with me as well. Political correctness hiding under the blanket of some who like to call it "hate speech" will feel my wrath.

So my fellow Patriots....call them as you see them. If the "shoe fits, they wear it".

Now time out for you youngster. I have personally sacrificed my body so others can use the term "libtard".

Get it?

 

[DoubleActionCHL]

"Things will happen," Martinez said. "Obama is staying behind the curtain and when the time is right he's going to mobilize his army and get it done."

Of course, the first thing that comes to mind is that famous line from the Wizard of Oz, "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain." Isn't it interesting that the fictitious man behind the curtain ruled the land through fear and intimidation, claiming to have powers beyond that of any human being (or any other non-human character in the story), where, in reality, he was a wimpy little con-man with no real powers beyond his ability to lie?

By the way, to interject the "N" word into this conversation is ludicrous. Last I check, the "N" word is usually derogatorily attributed to dark-skinned individuals of African descent. A person's heritage is something he/she owns through no fault or credit of their own. Conversely, one's political beliefs, morals, ethics, etc. are, in no small way, a choice. In an attempt to go straight for the throat, Clockwork inadvertently compared apples to oranges.

 

[TheDan]

I couldn't give a crap or not if my speech offends liberals or conservatives alike, and I typically dismiss 'hate speech" as just politically correct BS. However, can't we all agree that name calling is a little childish?