Obama's Health care plan:

[Major Woody]

They way they are passing it is Unconstitutional, it is null and void. It re-writes most states laws and takes their sovereignty away. We passed the bill protecting our 9th and 10th amendments before this bill of junk. I will not let it affect my life, simple as that.

 

[RetArmySgt]

The Declaration of Independence states that US citizens not only have the right but the duty to overthrow the government should it no longer follow the will of the people. IMHO it seems to be getting to that point.

 

[MiTX]

The Declaration of Independence states that US citizens not only have the right but the duty to overthrow the government should it no longer follow the will of the people. IMHO it seems to be getting to that point.

Looks like they are backing off the Deem and Pass!

 

[MiTX]

Anyone watching Glenn Beck?
WOW!

 

[texas_teacher]

The Declaration of Independence states that US citizens not only have the right but the duty to overthrow the government should it no longer follow the will of the people. IMHO it seems to be getting to that point.

More Government = Less Freedom

“Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive.” C.S. Lewis

 

[TXchoctaw]

This Health Care Bill in itself is unconstitutional, period.

A right granted by the Govt. is a right that can be denied by the Govt.

Health Care is NOT a right!!!

FWIW, at our Senate District Republican Convention yesterday Atty. General Greg Abbott spoke to us and said...If this legislation is passed, they have lawsuits in place that will rock Washington's world. let's hope he is right and will follow through on his promise to us. Rick perry's stance on the nullification process is that...there is no reason for nullification until there is something to nullify, (typical RINO speak).

 

[MiTX]

This Health Care Bill in itself is unconstitutional, period.

A right granted by the Govt. is a right that can be denied by the Govt.

Health Care is NOT a right!!!

FWIW, at our Senate District Republican Convention yesterday Atty. General Greg Abbott spoke to us and said...If this legislation is passed, they have lawsuits in place that will rock Washington's world. let's hope he is right and will follow through on his promise to us. Rick perry's stance on the nullification process is that...there is no reason for nullification until there is something to nullify, (typical RINO speak).

Could Perry's response simply be a case of do not show your cards until they are played?
MANY people are watching how this goes down, as I do believe this could be the tipping point to a lot of things.

 

[TXchoctaw]

Could Perry's response simply be a case of do not show your cards until they are played?
MANY people are watching how this goes down, as I do believe this could be the tipping point to a lot of things.

I don't think so, IMHO Perry has too many aspirations to higher office that he is walking on eggshells. He talked a good talk about cession last year in Ft. Worth at our Tea Party Rally, but since then he has toned down his rhetoric. He's also very beholding to special interests.

Obviously Melissa you can tell I'm not a Perry supporter.

 

[MiTX]

I don't think so, IMHO Perry has too many aspirations to higher office that he is walking on eggshells. He talked a good talk about cession last year in Ft. Worth at our Tea Party Rally, but since then he has toned down his rhetoric. He's also very beholding to special interests.

Obviously Melissa you can tell I'm not a Perry supporter.

I won't hold that against ya darlin'!
Personally, at this point... I trust NONE of them!
It seems the people in this country are holding their breath... just waiting for the hammer to fall.
I just believe the hammer (pun fully intended) is going to be much larger than anticipated when Americans decide to say...
NO MORE!
IT IS COMING!

 

[TXchoctaw]

It's coming alright, I'm coming and hell's coming with me......................

 

[MiTX]

It's coming alright, I'm coming and hell's coming with me......................

Well you sure as hell will not be standing alone!

 

[Major Woody]

A 10-4 on that brave ones.

 

[SIG_Fiend]

Perry is a politician. He will do what's necessary to further his career, just saying.

I seem to remember a famous quote, although I can't find it at the moment. Basically, it was to do with a society in which it's government does not leave it's citizens the right to protest and fix things through peaceful means, and the unpleasant end result of such constraints. What do we do when we are given the illusion of "peaceful means", but when at every avenue those means are subtly subverted so the end result is nothing ever changes? What do we do when we have people in positions of power that subvert our laws and Constitution, and that bald face lie to us, and are never held accountable or punished? Make no mistake people, there is a war going on against our minds. Every day we are inundated with complete and utter bullshit, which is supported by the media and entertainment industries (watch your favorite TV shows for the subtle subliminal bullshit attempting to sway you towards popular opinion), and then passed into law against our wills despite our protests and proof of the invalidity and inaccuracy of such topics (global warming, universal healthcare, socialism, etc). Basically, we human beings deal with each other in two ways, persuasion or force. Force is generally the last resort, when the passive means of persuasion is not effective. Honestly, I am losing hope that we can improve things peacefully, and I think we are quickly speeding towards the day when our only option will be force. There is just so much social conditioning and brain washing going on in our society that the truth and facts no longer mean a damn thing.

The thing that amazes me the most is the fact there are still people out there that think it's all just a coincidence or accident that all of these things are happening. Seriously? Lets see here, we have politicians pushing bullshit scams to the American people, scams which are completely disproven by established scientific fact. Then we have organizations and the media pushing us to support those scams.....and coincidentally we start seeing subtle stuff in TV shows we enjoy that also attempts to convince us that the bullshit is actually true and we should support it. And those are just a few of the numerous avenues with which all this crap gets pushed to us. Yeah some coincidence.

 

[Texas42]

. . .
So, now to the root cause of the high cost of medical. Did you know that unless a school is AMA approved the graduates can not get a licence to practice in the US. The AMA sets restrictions on the courses, classes, number of students, and the number that can graduate in a given year. All of this works to artificially restrict the number of doctors in the US. This restriction chokes the supply while the demand is ever growing.

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Yes, MD's are in high demand, and to practice medicine, you have to be licenced by the state of texas. To be licensed by the state, you have to have attended certified school. The restriction on the number a students a school can pump out is limited by the hospital that the school is associated with. Patients teach the students. Texas has been trying to increase the number of students they are graduating. Texas also has many, large schools (most over 200 students per school). If I remember right, they are adding a new school soon, and all the schools are adding students. It costs someone, 400k to teach a MD student, most of which is paid by tax payers. That is 2 grand a week for four years. Most medical students come out of school with 150k to 250k in debt.

The reality is that we are going to have to rely on alternate health care providers. RN's and other certified medical professionals can give just as good a care to most patients as an MD. (I would say that MD's increase the amount of medical knowledge in a way that other healthcare professionals can't, but that doesn't mean that they are the only ones that can effectively provide healthcare.)

I'm just pointing out that we have other problems other than just the AMA artificially restricting the number of MD's to keep the cost of healthcare high (that is what Vet schools do). As you might have noticed, most MD's have seen their earnings decrease. I know several MD's who made the most money the first year after school, and made less money each year.

 

[Partychief67]

Well we are "in the soup" now.... Fox News: disaster, MSNBC: awesomeness

What's in it: ( What Is In the Obama National Healthcare Bill?, Christian Blog, Christian Blogs, ChristianBlog.Com )

Here is a brief summary of what is actually in the Health Bill.

• Page 16: If you change jobs no one can insure you but the Govt. It prohibits Insurance companies from writing new policies.

• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!

• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!

• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)

• Page 42: The Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.

• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.

• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard .

• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)

• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.

• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)

• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens

• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.

• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.

• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No judicial review” is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.

• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages..

• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.

• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.

• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an=2 08% tax on payroll

• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll

• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt’ have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.

• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).

• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.

• Page 203: The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it really says that.

• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected.”

• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you’ll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)

• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors’ time, their professional judgment, etc.

• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.

• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.

• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!

• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.

• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission th at results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.

• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!

• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.

• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on community” input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.

• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.

• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.

• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.

• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).

• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?

• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.

• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.

• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.

• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient’s health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.

• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.

• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.

• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.

• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.

• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

 

[Dirt]

buckle down folks... Looks like Obamacare is going to be an everyday part of our lives whether we like it or not! (insert vomit smiley)

 

[ohhrico1969]

"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."
Thomas Jefferson

 

[The_Hunter]

Fun Facts

Does anyone know the correct house bill number I would like to look up some of the stuff above?

 

[texas_teacher]

buckle down folks... Looks like Obamacare is going to be an everyday part of our lives whether we like it or not! (insert vomit smiley)

It might be worth given up certain privileges to go live elsewhere until this is finally ruled unconstitutional as it should be...

 

[chopper]

I won't hold that against ya darlin'!
Personally, at this point... I trust NONE of them!
It seems the people in this country are holding their breath... just waiting for the hammer to fall.
I just believe the hammer (pun fully intended) is going to be much larger than anticipated when Americans decide to say...
NO MORE!
IT IS COMING!

the hammer wont fall... its like a baseball game in the out field...i got it i got it thud ball hits the ground and they say i thought you had it, no i thought you had it.
voteing out of office wont do anygood, who will replace those voted out? more of the same? who will stand and fight when the time comes?
I was laid off along with several others, I took a lower paying job, rest of my co workers took layoff and unemployment and was happy to do so.
Will americans stand together and fight to earn what the have or will they be happy to grow government and accept the handout?