MINIMUM DEFENSIVE CARRY CALIBER

[TXAZ]

I can attest first hand that an empty 12 gauge with the muzzle pressed hard against the nose of a would-be burglar is much more effective than a full auto MP-5 in the safe. Really.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Straw man argument. False logic.

I carry a .45 when I go out. I do not have to choose between carrying a .22 and leaving a .45 home.

Not entirely staw man...

People are by nature lazy and if the weight, bulk, clothing requirements create pressures to not carry a full sized handgun, then it will often be left at home.

My daily carry is a Glock 43, exactly because it is smaller, lighter and easier to dress around compared to my G17 or my 1911 and so gets left at home only the rare times I just forget it, which is about as often I forget my wallet.

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[Hoji]

Straw man argument. False logic.

I carry a .45 when I go out. I do not have to choose between carrying a .22 and leaving a .45 home.

1911?

 

[Tnhawk]

1911?

Anything else?

 

[Hoji]

Anything else?

Don’t miss with the first shot

 

[TXAZ]

Don’t miss with the first shot

Don’t miss on ANY shot.

 

[zackmars]

Hows the saying about .25 acp go? If you shoot someone with it, and if they find out about it, they'll be very angry?

At least with .22lr you have plenty of high quality guns and ammo choices. With .25 you have... neither really.

 

[Hoji]

Hows the saying about .25 acp go? If you shoot someone with it, and if they find out about it, they'll be very angry?

At least with .22lr you have plenty of high quality guns and ammo choices. With .25 you have... neither really.

Seecamp, Browning, Beretta to name a few and Buffalo Bore has this…https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=605

 

[oldag]

Not entirely staw man...

People are by nature lazy and if the weight, bulk, clothing requirements create pressures to not carry a full sized handgun, then it will often be left at home.

My daily carry is a Glock 34, exactly because it is smaller, lighter and easier to dress around compared to my G17 or my 1911 and so gets left at home only the rare times I just forget it, which is about as often I forget my wallet.

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People make a choice. To carry or not carry.

1911's come in CCO and compact, both in .45. Smaller than a full sized but just as effective.

 

[Hoji]

Don’t miss on ANY shot.

Well, yes, but statistically speaking, with a 1911 your odds of your second shot being after you clear a jam are a lot higher.

 

[Sasquatch]

Not entirely staw man...

People are by nature lazy and if the weight, bulk, clothing requirements create pressures to not carry a full sized handgun, then it will often be left at home.

My daily carry is a Glock 34 43, exactly because it is smaller, lighter and easier to dress around compared to my G17 or my 1911 and so gets left at home only the rare times I just forget it, which is about as often I forget my wallet.

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Dyslexic moment? FIFY, since I know you tote a 43, and the 34 is bigger (at least on the top end) than a G17.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Dyslexic moment? FIFY, since I know you tote a 43, and the 34 is bigger (at least on the top end) than a G17.

Yes, 43...

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[Axxe55]

The mere presence of a weapon stops the attack

that's assuming the attacker is unarmed

 

[mm54943]

that's assuming the attacker is unarmed

And sober

 

[Axxe55]

And sober

if drunk or doped up all bets are off the table!

 

[seeker_two]

I'm not counting on a one-shot stop with my LCPII. 22lr.....but five shots in the brainpan will likely change the thought processes of most perps.

 

[General Zod]

Well, lightning could strike an airliner overhead, causing it to fall on you.

Dozens of airliners are struck by lightning every day. It's exceedingly rare for one fall out of the sky because of it.


As for a defensive caliber, I lean toward 9mm or sometimes .45ACP if I'm feeling spiffy that day. But I wouldn't volunteer to be on the receiving end of .22LR - and as has been mentioned, the best defensive caliber is the one the defender is A) comfortable shooting and B) is carrying when it's needed.

 

[CavCop]

Based on 15 years in law enforcement, including as a CID supervisor, reviewing all shootings and going to autopsies, and 20 plus years in the Army as an Infantryman and Scout, along with hunting hogs and other animals, I think some people over and underestimate calibers.

I believe and most police departments believe the .380 is the lowest acceptable round for self defense. While some countries refer to the .380 as a 9mm (as to an extent it is), it’s a common caliber used with success by militaries and police world wide for decades. Ammo has only gotten better/more effective expansion and penitration.

I also feel the 5.56/.223 is a varmint round and not near as effective as a .308/7.62.

Ball ammo feeds well, but performs only as good as the shot placement.

Yes, you can get lucky and kill a hog or person with a .22. But if on foot in the brush with a pack of hogs, let’s see how well that .22 does.

I trust my life to a .380, more so when I carry a .380 vs leaving a larger and heavier pistol at home.

Ammo selection, reliability, accuracy, and recoil can come it play.

But the .380 is a proven performer, with lots of cases documenting its effectiveness. Oddly a number of Florida cases come to mind.

 

[mm54943]

Personally I wouldn’t trust my life with anything less than 380. My normal carry is 9mm.

 

[TXAZ]

Well, yes, but statistically speaking, with a 1911 your odds of your second shot being after you clear a jam are a lot higher.

My Erebus does not jam. Statistically or literally.