Man started a gunfight in a gun range/shop. Found out why that was a stupid idea.

[bbbass]

That's how I got expelled from a fancy-schmancy private kindergarten. The principal told my parents I was retarded and would need close care for the rest of my life. He did that right in front of me as he handed them a refund for the tuition they had paid.

We left, went to an IHop, and had pancakes for lunch. That was probably the best day of school I ever had - I didn't have to stay all day and I got pancakes for lunch. That's a good day to a 5-year-old kid.

Sooooooo, were you retarded?


In public Jr H.S. they said I was 3 years ahead in education after attending Catholic school. I often didn't have to take the tests, because it would warp the curve against the other students. Was I smart, educated, or the others just dumb??? lol

 

[bbbass]

bbbass

FYI, I've NEVER in over 4 decades known of a case where a child under 10YO "made up" or "imagined" a case of sexual abuse, indecent assault, incest, rape and/or .other "sex crimes".

That's WHY an expert in EARLY CHILDHOOD BEHAVIOR,(like my former partner) is vital to a proper investigation of "crimes against children".

yours, satx

Is it your claim then, that it has never happened?

And I noticed that you limited your observation to children under 10YO.

 

[mongoose]

bbbass

FYI, I've NEVER in over 4 decades known of a case where a child under 10YO "made up" or "imagined" a case of sexual abuse, indecent assault, incest, rape and/or .other "sex crimes".

That's WHY an expert in EARLY CHILDHOOD BEHAVIOR,(like my former partner) is vital to a proper investigation of "crimes against children".

yours, satx

Then you have your head in the sand.

 

[satx78247]

Is it your claim then, that it has never happened?

And I noticed that you limited your observation to children under 10YO.

bbbass,

LITTLE KIDS don't KNOW enough about sexual molestation to FOOL an investigator like "Nita" for 2 minutes.
(I will NOT go as far as to say "NEVER" but I can count the actual/KNOWN cases of "false accusations" by "the under 10YO set" of victims on one hand. - After puberty, things are a bit more complicated to diagnose BUT nonetheless NOT that hard for a trained investigator to figure out the TRUTH of.)

BTW, there is almost always real evidence to sex crimes to be found IF you look hard enough.
(There are VERY FEW "master criminals" in society. Frankly, MOST such predators are TOO DUMB and/or TOO ARROGANT to successfully hide their criminal acts. = MOST predators BRAG to someone about what they have done & often "keep souvenirs". = For example, when a grown man has a "drawerful" of neatly & 'lovingly" folded small children's (usually unwashed) underwear, it's NOT difficult to know "what is going down".)

NOTE: It was NOT our/my case but the notorious "Cherry Popper" actually collected the bloody sheets from "harvesting the virginity" of numerous young (and some NOT so young!!!) virgins/victims. - He had two large trunks full of blood-stained sheets & went on "the Worldwideweird" to "trade information" with other predators about his "conquests"..

Obviously "she said/he said" cases & the so-called "date rape" cases are MORE difficult BUT in the vast majority of cases, those sex crimes are NOT successfully hidden for long IF they are "legitimate" sex crimes.
(Cases of "I wish that I had not consented to sex" are NOT sexual crimes or rape cases, unless the victim is UNABLE to "withhold consent"..)

ADDENDA: For simplicity, I will not (unless some member insists) talk about cases where a "victim" is OBVIOUSLY "out of their mind" AND/OR cases where the "victim" does not UNDERSTAND what "indecent assault", rape or some other related crime consists of.
(Fwiw, Nita" & I briefly worked a ROI, where a 22YO female victim said that she had been "repeatedly raped" by a SGT on the post. - A "quiet conversation between just us girls" between the "victim"& Nita revealed that they woman had NO clue of what "rape" and/or sexual intercourse actually is. = A medical exam by a female MD quickly revealed that the "rape victim" was without question a VIRGIN. = The young woman believed that "deep kissing" was actually sexual intercourse & that her guilt about taking off her bra was "giving in" & "being raped", especially after she told the physician that she was worried that she was pregnant as she was all "wet & slick down there" after her dates..)

yours, satx

 

[Tex1961]

bbbass

FYI, I've NEVER in over 4 decades known of a case where a child under 10YO "made up" or "imagined" a case of sexual abuse, indecent assault, incest, rape and/or .other "sex crimes".

That's WHY an expert in EARLY CHILDHOOD BEHAVIOR,(like my former partner) is vital to a proper investigation of "crimes against children".

yours, satx

I had jury duty about 6 months ago.. It was a sex assault against a minor family member and had apparently gone on for a while... The (I don't have enough bad words here) defendant's counsel during voider told us that very fact... over 90% of the cases the child is telling the truth about the sexual attacks... Anyway we go through the process and I let them know that I shouldn't be on the jury as I have already made my mind up about his guilt... Remember, we only had to have a reasonable doubt as to his guilt... So I told the judge while pointing at his attorney that even his own counsel told us that over 90% of the cases the child is telling the truth, and if that wasn't reasonable doubt I don't know what was... Was I wrong, dunno maybe... But between that and several other statements during voider I had pretty much already made up my mind..

 

[satx78247]

Then you have your head in the sand.

mongoose,

And you have PROOF of your contention?? = IF you do, post the PROOF here, please.

yours, satx

 

[Axxe55]

Is it your claim then, that it has never happened?

And I noticed that you limited your observation to children under 10YO.

Exactly. I had a cousin that was convicted of sexual assault of a minor, his stepdaughter who was, IIRC eight or nine at the time of the alleged incident. She was quite intelligent, and convincing enough to the investigators, the prosecutor and the jury to get a conviction.

Funny thing. It was all false and never happened. The conviction was overturned some years later, but not until after he ended up spending time in prison for a few years, and lost just about everything he had worked for.

I totally agree, that each case should be investigated and judged o it's own merits, and let the facts and evidence carry the investigation. One should never just assume the accuser is telling the truth, just as one should never assume someone accused is guilty either.

Once that accusation is ever made, people had better be damned sure it's true. Because people's lives have been destroyed and ruined over such accusations that proved to be false or lies.

 

[Axxe55]

mongoose,

And you have PROOF of your contention?? = IF you do, post the PROOF here, please.

yours, satx

You have never posted any proof when asked. Why should he have to?

 

[satx78247]

I had jury duty about 6 months ago.. It was a sex assault against a minor family member and had apparently gone on for a while... The (I don't have enough bad words here) defendant's counsel during voider told us that very fact... over 90% of the cases the child is telling the truth about the sexual attacks... Anyway we go through the process and I let them know that I shouldn't be on the jury as I have already made my mind up about his guilt... Remember, we only had to have a reasonable doubt as to his guilt... So I told the judge while pointing at his attorney that even his own counsel told us that over 90% of the cases the child is telling the truth, and if that wasn't reasonable doubt I don't know what was... Was I wrong, dunno maybe... But between that and several other statements during voider I had pretty much already made up my mind..

Tex1961,

ImVho, you were 100% correct to ask the judge to be excused from jury duty. = IF a prospective juror or member of a courts martial board has "made up their mind", they should NOT serve.
(Fwiw, I was in the courtroom, 20+ years ago, when a jury was being picked in NOLA in a sex crime case, when a prospective juror was being "interviewed by the prosecutor". = The man jumped up, pointed at the defendant & shouted, "That SOB is guilty as Hell & we oughta take the MF out & string him up, right damn NOW." = The judge DISMISSED the entire group of prospective jurors & we got to start over with an entire new group of prospective jurors.)

yours, satx

 

[benenglish]

Sooooooo, were you retarded?

In some ways, absolutely.

 

[satx78247]

In some ways, absolutely.

benenglish,

Aren't we all?? = CHUCKLE.

yours, satx

 

[bbbass]

LITTLE KIDS don't KNOW enough about sexual molestation to FOOL an investigator

I'm sorry that your parents hurt you.... it obviously changed your life in an unhealthy direction.

I don't know "Nita" nor her training, education, work history and talents. So I can't speak to whether she could be fooled. But I DO know that there was an ERA where the entire population was repeatedly told that children never lie about these things. Men were automatically guilty, and it's corollary - women never do this. And investigators on a witch-hunt/mission to convict every accused no matter what, knowingly or unknowingly affected/hinted to children what they wanted them to say. It's a well known phenomenom (sp) of documented history no matter what YOUR particular experience has been.

Even in the 50s, kids knew more than adults thought they did. Me and my 7yr old buddies knew what "phuck" meant, and what adults do with their privates to amuse themselves or to recreate.

Today, it's an entirely iffy situation when kids make these accusations. Sex education in school starts as early as 5yr old, and even younger kids are taught the specifics of gender identity. With porn available on the internet, and unmonitored convos happening between children, I would never be automatically convinced that they otherwise wouldn't know what they are claiming happened unless it did happen.

If we were to change the nature of the accused, of any crime, to a POC, what would we think of them automatically being guilty? No need for a trial really, just take em to the nearest tree.... there was a time when that happened too. It's a mark on history. Same thing as the molestation crusades.

 

[satx78247]

I'm sorry that your parents hurt you.... it obviously changed your life in an unhealthy direction.

I don't know "Nita" nor her training, education, work history and talents. So I can't speak to whether she could be fooled. But I DO know that there was an ERA where the entire population was repeatedly told that children never lie about these things. Men were automatically guilty, and it's corollary - women never do this. And investigators on a mission to convict every accused no matter what, knowingly or unknowingly affected/hinted to children what they wanted them to say. It's a well known phenomenom (sp) of documented history no matter what YOUR particular experience has been.

Even in the 50s, kids knew more than adults thought they did. Me and my 7yr old buddies knew what "phuck" meant, and what adults do with their privates to amuse themselves or to recreate.

Today, it's an entirely iffy situation when kids make these accusations. Sex education in school starts as early as 5yr old, and even younger kids are taught the specifics of gender identity. With porn available on the internet, and unmonitored convos happening between children, I would never be automatically convinced that they otherwise wouldn't know what they are claiming happened unless it did happen.

If we were to change the nature of the accused, of any crime, to a POC, what would we think of them automatically being guilty? No need for a trial really, just take em to the nearest tree.... there was a time when that happened too. It's a mark on history. Same thing as the molestation crusades.

bbbass,

FYI, "Nita" is a qualified (and NOW long retired) RN/NP with a great deal of advanced training in child psychology, as well as extensive training as a LEO.

Btw, (& THANKFULLY) while there are female sexual predators, they are relatively few in number.
(Though I would tell you based on my experience that they are some of the MOST vicious of sexual predators.)

Further, inasmuch as you neither know me, nor anything about my qualifications/experience as a career peace officer/investigator, you are just "blowing smoke".
(In the event that you HAVE such things as academic preparation and/or practical experience as an investigator, state your list of professional qualifications, training schools graduated from, certifications held, training courses successfully completed & years of practical/field experience, so everyone can better appreciate your ability to evaluate other people's professional qualifications.)

yours, satx

 

[Axxe55]

Female Sex Offenders: Gender and Risk Perception

Despite clear evidence indicating that a significant number of women are engaging in sexual activity with children, female perpetration of sexual abuse remains a concept that is often misconceptualized by both the criminal justice system and wider society in general....

link.springer.com

https://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/68_3_5_0.pdf

The Proportion of Sexual Offenders Who Are Female Is Higher Than Thought: A Meta-Analysis | Request PDF

Request PDF | The Proportion of Sexual Offenders Who Are Female Is Higher Than Thought: A Meta-Analysis | Women commit sexual offenses, but the proportion of sexual offenders who are female is subject to debates. Based on 17 samples from 12 countries,... | Find, read and cite all the research...

www.researchgate.net

Female sex offenders are more common than you think

Researchers say the data gives an insight into the one-dimensional stereotype of women

www.independent.co.uk

https://cepp.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/3-Myths-and-Facts.pdf

Juvenile female and male sex offenders: a comparison of offender, victim, and judicial processing characteristics - PubMed

This research examines 61 juvenile female sex offenders in terms of their offending patterns, demographics, and victim characteristics; these findings are compared to 122 juvenile male sex offenders. Relying on sex offender registration data and criminal history records, bivariate analyses are...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Axxe55]

bbbass,

FYI, "Nita" is a qualified (and NOW long retired) RN/NP with a great deal of advanced training in child psychology, as well as extensive training as a LEO.

Btw, (& THANKFULLY) while there are female sexual predators, they are relatively few in number.
(Though I would tell you based on my experience that they are some of the MOST vicious of sexual predators.)

Further, inasmuch as you neither know me, nor anything about my qualifications/experience as a career peace officer/investigator, you are just "blowing smoke".
(In the event that you HAVE such things as academic preparation and/or practical experience as an investigator, state your list of professional qualifications, training schools graduated from, certifications held, training courses successfully completed & years of practical/field experience, so everyone can better appreciate your ability to evaluate other people's professional qualifications.)

yours, satx

I am real curious to hear about all of your qualifications, experience and training, plus what certifications you hold that qualify you as an investigator of sexual assault and offences.

How many sexual assault, rapes, child molestation, or child pornography cases have you investigated? Over what period of time, or years, and with what agencies have you conducted those investigations? Do you hold a degree in medicine or psychology of any type, or types, and from what school, or schools did you get any of your degrees from?

 

[bbbass]

Further, inasmuch as you neither know me, nor anything about my qualifications/experience as a career peace officer/investigator, you are just "blowing smoke".
(In the event that you HAVE such things as academic preparation and/or practical experience as an investigator, state your list of professional qualifications, training schools graduated from, certifications held, training courses successfully completed & years of practical/field experience, so everyone can better appreciate your ability to evaluate other people's professional qualifications.)

What on earth did I write that prompted such BS from you???

False logic argument: Your qualifications are higher than mine.... that means I DON'T GET TO STATE AN OPINION NOR REFER YOU TO HISTORICAL RECORD ON THE MATTER????????????? Just stop. Take a breath. It is unhealthy to get so worked up that you would bring out your battle tricks.

I mentioned nothing about your professionalism, nor your qualifications. Nor your experiences. I even mentioned I know nothing about Nita, so I wouldn't speak to that. Then you bring her back into it.... I don't care what YOU say about her... I don't know her. I merely mentioned that they've discovered in that past that some investigators were fooled, or had agendas or bias. Nothing about NITA personally. So HOW am I "blowing smoke"? Empty accusation and a swing and a miss.

What I TRIED to point out to you, is that there are documented cases of minors making false accusations, which you seemed to be saying that in your experience, that doesn't happen. It's verifiable that there was a period of overzealousness in going after men for things they didn't do. I'm perfectly astounded that either you don't know that, or you are denying it. IMO, that's an unhealthy zealot.

That's ALL I said. If you want to accuse me of something untowards, you are way out of line, and we are done. Well, there was that part about feeling sorry for you, but that was based on YOUR posting, and I was being sincere. Being a zealot is a hard life, and possibly hard on those around you.

 

[satx78247]

What on earth did I write that prompted such BS from you???

Your qualifications are higher than mine.... that means I DON'T GET TO STATE AN OPINION NOR REFER YOU TO HISTORICAL RECORD ON THE MATTER????????????? Just stop. Take a breath. It is unhealthy to get so worked up that you would bring out your battle tricks.

I mentioned nothing about your professionalism, nor your qualifications. Nor your experiences. So HOW am I "blowing smoke"? Empty accusation and a swing and a miss.

What I TRIED to point out to you, is that there are documented cases of minors making false accusations, which you seemed to be saying that in your experience, that doesn't happen. It's verifiable that there was a period of overzealousness in going after men for things they didn't do. I'm perfectly astounded that either you don't know that, or you are denying it. IMO, that's an unhealthy zealot.

That's ALL I said. If you want to accuse me of something untowards, you are way out of line, and we are done. Well, there was that part about feeling sorry for you, but that was based on YOUR posting, and I was being sincere. Being a zealot is a hard life, and possibly hard on those around you.

bbbass,

In other words you KNOW NOTHING but insist on "blessing everyone " with your UNKNOWING opinions??

What is your opinion based upon??
(Perhaps FAKE NEWS from "newspapers", "TV News broadcasts" & perhaps from magazines??)

As a retired career LEO, I have found that the opinions offered by NON-LEOs & for FREE on the Internet are worth exactly what they cost the reader: NOTHING, NADA & ZERO.

Otoh, YOU & EVERY OTHER person on Planet Earth are FREE to express their OPINIONS, as that's called FREEDOM OF SPEECH, even when their opinions are NOT based on FACTS but rather on the UNKNOWING, UNDEREDUCATED & USUALLY BIASED OPINIONS of so-called "reporters" & "talking heads".
(To use your terminology, MOST of what "everybody knows" IS a great steaming pile of BRAVO SIERRA.)

yours, satx

 

[Moonpie]

 

[bbbass]

bbbass,

In other words you KNOW NOTHING but insist on "blessing everyone " with your UNKNOWING opinions??

What is your opinion based upon??
(Perhaps FAKE NEWS from "newspapers", "TV News broadcasts" & perhaps from magazines??)

As a retired career LEO, I have found that the opinions offered by NON-LEOs & for FREE on the Internet are worth exactly what they cost the reader: NOTHING, NADA & ZERO.

Otoh, YOU & EVERY OTHER person on Planet Earth are FREE to express their OPINIONS, as that's called FREEDOM OF SPEECH, even when their opinions are NOT based on FACTS..

yours, satx

Is this not a discussion site?

Yes my opinions are free to read, are offered FWIW, and YOU are FREE to not read them, or to leave the thread at any time.

Where are YOUR FACTS? To my knowledge anecdotal experience often cannot be extrapolated to generalities. I give you credit for your experience, and thank you for your service, but when you ignore history that every other person on earth knows, it is YOU that is BLOWING SMOKE.

I claimed no expertise, unlike you. All I claimed is to dispute your assertion and obvious belief that all men are guilty and all children tell the truth about molestation. Which is documented to be incorrect. I don't need any particular expertise to see that. Again with the false logic fallacy and now with the personal attack.

 

[DoubleDuty]

AusSchwaben,

That experience in my childhood had only ONE possibly positive outcome. = It made me into what one US General Officer once called "the avenging angel".
(Another Division CDR, MG C___________ , was heard more than once to tell someone: We have a pair of human bloodhounds in the CID that will find any evidence of Rape or Child Molestation & WOE unto the criminal if the 2 of them finds that evidence. They will neither forgive nor forget nor quit until the criminal is punished IF there is evidence of a crime against a woman or child.)
My longtime partner was SA Dolores Anita G_______________ (CW3). "Nita" was an expert at getting victims, witnesses & sometimes even vicious sex criminals to talk to her.
(FYI, the MOST common reason that sex criminals are NOT ever punished is that the victims are too ashamed to talk about being assaulted, molested or raped.)

yours, satx
USMPR, Retired

And as you know being believed even today with what we know.