If Texas Would Leave

[Sam7sf]

Just some thoughts...

like most on this forum I have been a gun owner in the Clinton ban and seen our ups and downs. If it’s one thing that drives me up the wall it’s our inability to come together and all say together: “out of my cold dead hands”.

I’m tired of it all myself. Gun control has always angered me not so much from a simple second amendment argument, but It’s the fact people are ok wanting to take something that doesn’t belong to them. I don’t care what the laws are. You don’t have any god given or natural right to do that.

The history of our line in the sand is horrible. Don’t comply. We need our officials to not comply. politicians, judges, police officers, if you value what is right do not comply. Got a neighbor who’s getting that knock on the door from communist wanting to shoot up a family for not turning in guns if that day comes? Make it clear you will come together.

enough is enough. Communism has corrupted our great nation. They know a lot of gun owners will give up arms. What has to change is they need to know each of us will gladly go down swinging.

 

[Bozz10mm]

If Texas would leave the union, I'd be on my way there tomorrow. If you'll have me.

Why wait?

 

[Renegade]

Anyone remember the Great Northern Aggression conflict of 1861, or more commonly known as the American Civil War?

Didn't end so great did it? They succeeded for a little over 4 years.

Close to a million people, military and civilians wounded or dead during the conflict.

It sounds like a great idea because of fear of Biden actually becoming president.

And I have no love or respect for socialists, or anyone that resides in Texas that doesn't honor and respect the American way of life, or that has socialist or communist sympathies, but how do you throw them out of the state legally? Simple answer is, you can't.

It's a great idea to sit around and fantasize about, but I'm sorry, it ain't happening.

ETA: Even IF, after the dust settles, and it has been exhausted in the courts that Biden wins the election, I'll never acknowledge him or Harris as being legitimated winners, or president and vice-president.

Nobody suggest succession has to be violent

But if Dems cant flip Texas, they will be happy to let Texas leave peacefully.

 

[Axxe55]

Nobody suggest succession has to be violent

But if Dems cant flip Texas, they will be happy to let Texas leave peacefully.

At the very beginning of the Civil War, it wasn't violent either, until the first shots were fired and the first casualties. Then it got plenty violent.

The Democrats have a pretty good stranglehold on most of the major metropolitan cities in Texas. How do we get rid of them?

 

[oldag]

One problem would be the 5 million liberals already in the state. That problem might take care of itself, as they would probably leave over time.

But a majority of Texans would not vote for secession. The liberals would not, and some folks who would be amenable from a values standpoint will be too afraid to go down that path.

I am not sure that another War Between the States would occur. I don't know that the liberals in DC would have the guts. And I don't know that the military would step in.

Texas would have to deal with economic upheaval. Liberal companies would pull their HQ's out of Texas. They might also pull their operations out. Now it is fine and dandy to say "let the door hit them on the backside", but those tax dollars and jobs would be gone and there would be an impact.

Now some of those corporations are greedy enough to look at the market size in Texas and hang around for the bucks.

A significant exodus would crash the housing market. Over time, perhaps conservatives from other states would move in and help with housing and the economy, but they must find jobs. Again, perhaps they can fill jobs abandoned by liberals who left.

On a global basis, we would need armed forces. Otherwise, some foreign country (even Mexico) could decide to seize a foothold in the U.S. And the U.S. might choose not to intervene. Would some of the military join the new Texas armed forces? Perhaps. Bring their equipment? Perhaps.

Could Texas be self sufficient?

1. Ag/food products - probably, but with less variety
2. Electricity - absolutely
3. Oil, gas, gasoline, diesel - absolutely
4. Steel - nope
5. Electronics - nope, we need raw materials not present in Texas
6. Consumer goods - nope for many products, don't have the manufacturing plants

But we might find willing trade partners.

If the US and global markets imposed an embargo, things could be tough for a while. Texas might or might not find buyers (in spite of the embargo) for petroleum products. And some significant countries would probably refuse to join the embargo.

A major effort would be required to set up a functioning international government.

It would not be a smooth ride. But in the long run, would probably be worth the sacrifice.

I could see some other states joining us eventually.

• Good probability - Oklahoma, Wyoming, Montana
• Possible - Arkansas, Louisiana, Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakotas, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina
• Maybe Iowa, Idaho, West Virginia

If that happens, the path gets smoother.

Lacking a majority of the secession vote in Texas, how to make it happen. Sadly, force would be the remaining option.

 

[Axxe55]

One problem would be the 5 million liberals already in the state. That problem might take care of itself, as they would probably leave over time.

But a majority of Texans would not vote for secession. The liberals would not, and some folks who would be amenable from a values standpoint will be too afraid to go down that path.

I am not sure that another War Between the States would occur. I don't know that the liberals in DC would have the guts. And I don't know that the military would step in.

Texas would have to deal with economic upheaval. Liberal companies would pull their HQ's out of Texas. They might also pull their operations out. Now it is fine and dandy to say "let the door hit them on the backside", but those tax dollars and jobs would be gone and there would be an impact.

Now some of those corporations are greedy enough to look at the market size in Texas and hang around for the bucks.

A significant exodus would crash the housing market. Over time, perhaps conservatives from other states would move in and help with housing and the economy, but they must find jobs. Again, perhaps they can fill jobs abandoned by liberals who left.

On a global basis, we would need armed forces. Otherwise, some foreign country (even Mexico) could decide to seize a foothold in the U.S. And the U.S. might choose not to intervene. Would some of the military join the new Texas armed forces? Perhaps. Bring their equipment? Perhaps.

Could Texas be self sufficient?

1. Ag/food products - probably, but with less variety
2. Electricity - absolutely
3. Oil, gas, gasoline, diesel - absolutely
4. Steel - nope
5. Electronics - nope, we need raw materials not present in Texas
6. Consumer goods - nope for many products, don't have the manufacturing plants

But we might find willing trade partners.

If the US and global markets imposed an embargo, things could be tough for a while. Texas might or might not find buyers (in spite of the embargo) for petroleum products. And some significant countries would probably refuse to join the embargo.

A major effort would be required to set up a functioning international government.

It would not be a smooth ride. But in the long run, would probably be worth the sacrifice.

I could see some other states joining us eventually.

• Good probability - Oklahoma, Wyoming, Montana
• Possible - Arkansas, Louisiana, Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakotas, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina
• Maybe Iowa, Idaho, West Virginia

If that happens, the path gets smoother.

Lacking a majority of the secession vote in Texas, how to make it happen. Sadly, force would be the remaining option.

Excellent points Oldag. Some of the same things I was thinking. You did put it into words much better that I could have.

 

[Renegade]

The Democrats have a pretty good stranglehold on most of the major metropolitan cities in Texas. How do we get rid of them?

We do not have to.

Convince Dems in the other 49 states they will never get their agenda if they cannot flip Texas. So easiest solution is to eject Texas by summer of 2021.

 

[Sam7sf]

One problem would be the 5 million liberals already in the state. That problem might take care of itself, as they would probably leave over time.

But a majority of Texans would not vote for secession. The liberals would not, and some folks who would be amenable from a values standpoint will be too afraid to go down that path.

I am not sure that another War Between the States would occur. I don't know that the liberals in DC would have the guts. And I don't know that the military would step in.

Texas would have to deal with economic upheaval. Liberal companies would pull their HQ's out of Texas. They might also pull their operations out. Now it is fine and dandy to say "let the door hit them on the backside", but those tax dollars and jobs would be gone and there would be an impact.

Now some of those corporations are greedy enough to look at the market size in Texas and hang around for the bucks.

A significant exodus would crash the housing market. Over time, perhaps conservatives from other states would move in and help with housing and the economy, but they must find jobs. Again, perhaps they can fill jobs abandoned by liberals who left.

On a global basis, we would need armed forces. Otherwise, some foreign country (even Mexico) could decide to seize a foothold in the U.S. And the U.S. might choose not to intervene. Would some of the military join the new Texas armed forces? Perhaps. Bring their equipment? Perhaps.

Could Texas be self sufficient?

1. Ag/food products - probably, but with less variety
2. Electricity - absolutely
3. Oil, gas, gasoline, diesel - absolutely
4. Steel - nope
5. Electronics - nope, we need raw materials not present in Texas
6. Consumer goods - nope for many products, don't have the manufacturing plants

But we might find willing trade partners.

If the US and global markets imposed an embargo, things could be tough for a while. Texas might or might not find buyers (in spite of the embargo) for petroleum products. And some significant countries would probably refuse to join the embargo.

A major effort would be required to set up a functioning international government.

It would not be a smooth ride. But in the long run, would probably be worth the sacrifice.

I could see some other states joining us eventually.

• Good probability - Oklahoma, Wyoming, Montana
• Possible - Arkansas, Louisiana, Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakotas, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina
• Maybe Iowa, Idaho, West Virginia

If that happens, the path gets smoother.

Lacking a majority of the secession vote in Texas, how to make it happen. Sadly, force would be the remaining option.

Excellent post.

 

[jrbfishn]

One problem would be the 5 million liberals already in the state. That problem might take care of itself, as they would probably leave over time.

But a majority of Texans would not vote for secession. The liberals would not, and some folks who would be amenable from a values standpoint will be too afraid to go down that path.

I am not sure that another War Between the States would occur. I don't know that the liberals in DC would have the guts. And I don't know that the military would step in.

Texas would have to deal with economic upheaval. Liberal companies would pull their HQ's out of Texas. They might also pull their operations out. Now it is fine and dandy to say "let the door hit them on the backside", but those tax dollars and jobs would be gone and there would be an impact.

Now some of those corporations are greedy enough to look at the market size in Texas and hang around for the bucks.

A significant exodus would crash the housing market. Over time, perhaps conservatives from other states would move in and help with housing and the economy, but they must find jobs. Again, perhaps they can fill jobs abandoned by liberals who left.

On a global basis, we would need armed forces. Otherwise, some foreign country (even Mexico) could decide to seize a foothold in the U.S. And the U.S. might choose not to intervene. Would some of the military join the new Texas armed forces? Perhaps. Bring their equipment? Perhaps.

Could Texas be self sufficient?

1. Ag/food products - probably, but with less variety
2. Electricity - absolutely
3. Oil, gas, gasoline, diesel - absolutely
4. Steel - nope
5. Electronics - nope, we need raw materials not present in Texas
6. Consumer goods - nope for many products, don't have the manufacturing plants

But we might find willing trade partners.

If the US and global markets imposed an embargo, things could be tough for a while. Texas might or might not find buyers (in spite of the embargo) for petroleum products. And some significant countries would probably refuse to join the embargo.

A major effort would be required to set up a functioning international government.

It would not be a smooth ride. But in the long run, would probably be worth the sacrifice.

I could see some other states joining us eventually.

• Good probability - Oklahoma, Wyoming, Montana
• Possible - Arkansas, Louisiana, Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakotas, Mississippi, Tennessee, Kentucky, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina
• Maybe Iowa, Idaho, West Virginia

If that happens, the path gets smoother.

Lacking a majority of the secession vote in Texas, how to make it happen. Sadly, force would be the remaining option.

Thanks to the Dems for the most part, all the manufacturing you posted as well as medicines, the U.S. has very few plant left anyway. We now get most of that stuff from overseas. Or at least the base products.
The GDP of Texas is a very large chunk of the U.S. GDP.
It's doable.

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[Bozz10mm]

Would Coors and Miller Lite then be imported beers? Shiner and Lone Star would be exports. Most automobiles would be imports. Dadgum foreign cars, Ford, Chevy, Dodge.

 

[oldag]

Thanks to the Dems for the most part, all the manufacturing you posted as well as medicines, the U.S. has very few plant left anyway. We now get most of that stuff from overseas. Or at least the base products.
The GDP of Texas is a very large chunk of the U.S. GDP.
It's doable.

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Good point on overseas manufacturing.

Agree it is doable. But not without some hardship along the way. And a good deal of courage and commitment.

 

[TX OMFS]

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[easy rider]

Austin, San Antonio, Houston, Dallas primarily.

Can we send those cities back to California where they came from?

 

[easy rider]

Would Coors and Miller Lite then be imported beers? Shiner and Lone Star would be exports. Most automobiles would be imports. Dadgum foreign cars, Ford, Chevy, Dodge.

Lefties love those Tesla's, we can make trades.

 

[Bozz10mm]

Lefties love those Tesla's, we can make trades.

Forgot about the Teslas. Oh and the Toyota pickups built in San Antonio will become exports. The US will once again become dependent on foreign Texas oil. Wonder what we would call our money? Would we have to pay an exchange premium when we order from Amazon?

 

[bbbass]

Just some thoughts...

enough is enough. Communism has corrupted our great nation. They know a lot of gun owners will give up arms. What has to change is they need to know each of us will gladly go down swinging.

Well, I'm a registered Oathkeeper. I find it interesting that we have now been lumped in with "White Supremacist Militia".... OK, whatever.

I'm not able to come to you to help fight, and I more than have a fight on my hands here in the PNW. We need to kick Antifa's azz like they did in Couer d'Alene. Washington State and Oregon have joined up with Calif anti-gunners. Idaho is turning purple, at least in the Boise area. My daughter works for the Idaho Parole Board and they are letting hardened criminals go despite her negative recommendations. It's not looking good as more Calis move to Boise, and Sandpoint in N Idaho, which used to be skinhead/militia/Weaver land. Not anymore.

Oregon was barely able to stave off drastic gun control measures this year and last year by our legislative Republicans walking out. Look for that slate of anti-gun laws to come up again in 2021. Maybe even worse. Carbon tax, mileage tax, breathing tax, etc. It is sad to see windmills blighting the scenery we have protected for so long! Removing the Columbia River dams is a distinct possibility that will result in flooding downstream and rob Calif of the clean hydro power we have been selling them.

Oathkeepers will stand. Count on it!!!

 

[sidebite252]

I had to google Oath Keepers .......

 

[bbbass]

I had to google Oath Keepers .......

And what did you find???

 

[easy rider]

Well, I'm a registered Oathkeeper. I find it interesting that we have now been lumped in with "White Supremacist Militia".... OK, whatever.

I'm not able to come to you to help fight, and I more than have a fight on my hands here in the PNW. We need to kick Antifa's azz like they did in Couer d'Alene. Washington State and Oregon have joined up with Calif anti-gunners. Idaho is turning purple, at least in the Boise area. My daughter works for the Idaho Parole Board and they are letting hardened criminals go despite her negative recommendations. It's not looking good as more Calis move to Boise, and Sandpoint in N Idaho, which used to be skinhead/militia/Weaver land. Not anymore.

Oregon was barely able to stave off drastic gun control measures this year and last year by our legislative Republicans walking out. Look for that slate of anti-gun laws to come up again in 2021. Maybe even worse. Carbon tax, mileage tax, breathing tax, etc. It is sad to see windmills blighting the scenery we have protected for so long! Removing the Columbia River dams is a distinct possibility that will result in flooding downstream and rob Calif of the clean hydro power we have been selling them.

Oathkeepers will stand. Count on it!!!

Washington state, Seattle in particular, was warned what the influx of Californians would do back in the mid 90's. Like most big cities around the country, it attracts the leftists. I saw the writing on the wall when I moved from Belfair, Wa. to Beaverton Or. in 2011. Took me a little over a year to decide to leave everything behind and get the hell out of the northwest.

After watching the city of my birth give up a section of the city to form their own country, I gave up on it completely. BTW, chalk up another failed communist country.

 

[bbbass]

Washington state, Seattle in particular, was warned what the influx of Californians would do back in the mid 90's. Like most big cities around the country, it attracts the leftists. I saw the writing on the wall when I moved from Belfair, Wa. to Beaverton Or. in 2011. Took me a little over a year to decide to leave everything behind and get the hell out of the northwest.

After watching the city of my birth give up a section of the city to form their own country, I gave up on it completely. BTW, chalk up another failed communist country.

I can remember when Seattle was a nice place. Famous Championship bowler lived in Tacoma in those days. Residents sold out their properties for big $$$ when Microsoft changed the world. You get what you get when the locusts arrive.

Now Chinese are paying big $$$ for San Fran housing. I hope we like our new Chinese masters that released the plague (covid) in order to defeat Trump.

Never lived in Portland area. Visited friends in Beaverton, they moved out. I don't like cities at all, but Portland went from slightly weird to greatly weird to batschit crazy. I avoid it at all costs!!!