Denied firearm at Academy because I answered a "prohibited" question at a different Academy?

[Fideon]

So from the OP's description of the attempt to buy. He had a DL, LTC, Visa/I94, a hunting license and credit card that didn't have matching names on them. He was from Mexico. He answered one of the qualifying questions wrong and he's wondering why they didn't sell him a gun?

The Credit Card only has my first last name, while the DL/LTC has both my last names. Also, I made sure I answered the questions correctly, and I don't believe I answered any of them wrong. I mean they're pretty obvious and I'm sure I answered them correctly, and truthfully, and I don't think they were wrong. They said something about me answering something wrong AT ANOTHER ACADEMY. I have never tried to buy a gun at another Academy. I put a lot of effort into being 100% sure I'm legally allowed to buy and own a gun because I respect this country and the opportunity it is giving me.

 

[Fideon]

"This is the first time in my life I've ever tried to purchase a firearm. Only firearm-related things I've bought at Academy is ammo and a holster."

A holster for a gun you don't own since this is the firearm you have tried to buy??? What kind of ammo does this phantom gun shoot that you also bought ammo for?

Not a fan of Academy by no means, this sounds like BS

Sorry, I should have said "This is the first time in my life I've ever tried to purchase a firearm at an FFL". I have bought a couple of guns through private sales but this was my first time buying a brand new gun from an FFL.

 

[PBRStreetGang]

Another claim that all Academy's don't run NICS if you have an LTC.

Bullshit.

I don’t know about all Academy’s. I only worked at one.

They don’t have run a background check in TX with LTC but there is nothing that says they can’t anyway. Some individuals as well as individual store managers can do things differently if it’s in their discretion.

So Bullshit to you!

 

[V-Tach]

I don’t know about all Academy’s. I only worked at one.

They don’t have run a background check in TX with LTC but there is nothing that says they can’t anyway. Some individuals as well as individual store managers can do things differently if it’s in their discretion.

So Bullshit to you!

Quoted from your post..............

"Academy doesn’t run the background check with LTC."

Don't take it personal......we all make bs statements from time to time......and we all get called out on them.....

 

[Shadowman]

Quoted from your post..............

"Academy doesn’t run the background check with LTC."

So yeah, bullshit..........some do.........

Don't make blanket statements and you won't have bullshit called out............

V-Tach,
Glad to know that you have checked every Academy in the U.S. so that you are positive that some run background checks on people with an LTC. Not sure how you would check that unless you're taking someone's word for it that they do background checks.

 

[V-Tach]

Let it go.........

Not worth arguing. I am clueless.......

and the next person that posts they have an LTC and got delayed from a background check at Academy, I will be the first one to call them a liar...

 

[@TX_1]

L

I let my TSA Pre-Check and TWIC Card expire as I don't need them any longer. I've retired and would prefer to drive across the Country than deal with TSA and the airlines.

Ditto, I only fly if it is absolutely necessary. And for now, not sure I ever will again. It is not fear of flying, it is the harassment during the process and the delays. It is killing air travel and they are simply not making it safer to fly. It is another non-accountable rogue bureaucracy.

 

[LeeEnfield]

So, this morning I tried purchasing a P365X from the Academy closest to me.
I bought it online, and picked the pick up today option.

Went there, brought all my documentation, filled the form, and after a long time was ultimately denied the purchase because I "answered a prohibited question at a different Academy", or at least that's what the guy said. And that I would be able to try again in 30 days.

They asked me if I had tried or had bought a firearm in another Academy in the past.

This is the first time in my life I've ever tried to purchase a firearm. Only firearm-related things I've bought at Academy is ammo and a holster.

Has anyone ever received that reply when trying to buy a gun at Academy? They gave me the paper which I assume everyone gets when they are denied the purchase of a firearm. Something that says Deny and Delay. But it's supposed to have a "case number" which I can use when calling the relevant government agency to see why I was denied, but they didn't write down said number.

Would like to know what exactly went wrong so I can know if I should try again at another store or what.

Thanks!

That's crazy. I hope it gets resolved

 

[DoubleDuty]

You have a Texas LTC? Asking because usually you don't need a background check with an LTC.

Academy does a NICS background check anyway. I have bought firearms from them and have an LTC and have had it done every time. On one purchase I had to wait so long the store manager gave a 30 percent discount on the gun.

 

[SARGE67]

Kinda sorta off topic as to Academy, but I've bought all my guns online and had them shipped to a local gun range I'm a member of. The first one I didn't have my LTC and he said he always tells everyone you make damn sure you believe you can pass the background check before he runs it on you. My others I had sent to him for transfer were a piece of cake since I had my LTC. He has very many popular "loaners" and a few for sale you can try before you buy.

This place is very fast online and has a store in Coppell last I checked if you can't wait. A good place to search online for different firearms and get an idea on reviews, prices and whatnot.

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[PBRStreetGang]

Quoted from your post..............

"Academy doesn’t run the background check with LTC."

So yeah, bullshit..........some do.........

Don't make blanket statements and you won't have bullshit called out............

V-Tach,
Glad to know that you have checked every Academy in the U.S. so that you are positive that some run background checks on people with an LTC. Not sure how you would check that unless you're taking someone's word for it that they do background checks.

 

[PBRStreetGang]

I can make whatever statements I wish. Go **** your self. How about that statement!

 

[PBRStreetGang]

Quoted from your post..............

"Academy doesn’t run the background check with LTC."

Don't take it personal......we all make bs statements from time to time......and we all get called out on them.....

I didn’t make any bullshit statements. Just made statements to bullshit people.

 

[Txhighlander]

 

[Fideon]

Hi y'all, just wanted to provide an update.

Went today to my LGS (Saddle Rock Armory). The guys were GREAT, unlike the staff at Academy, and I was out with my new P365 XMacro in less than 15 minutes!

They asked for the relevant documentation given my work visa status (hunting license and I-94 number), of course I brought copies of those documents and the whole process went smooth and fast. I will definitely be going back and doing all my funs related business with them.

So yeah, boo Academy, support your LGS!

 

[Vaquero]

I could make whatever statements I wish. Go **** your self. How about that statement!

How about that?

 

[DoubleDuty]

How about that?

Another jerk bites the dust

 

[V-Tach]

Guess he told me.............next?

 

[Lonesome Dove]

I used to work at Academy behind the gun counter.



Keep in mind I don’t agree with the way things are, just telling how it is.



1. Regardless of having an LTC or not you still need to fill out an ATF 4473. Having a valid (current) LTC in Texas just means they don’t have to do a background check. Some places still run a background check anyway. Academy doesn’t run the background check with LTC.



2. There are a number of qualifying questions on the ATF 4473 that if you get anyone wrong you will be automatically denied the sale at the store level regardless of LTC. You have to answer every thing correctly before they will even run the FBI NICS background check if no LTC



On the current ATF 4473 those questions are number 21a through n. The most often question people innocently get wrong is 21a. It’s confusing and people don’t understand what it means. You will be denied sale at the store level regardless of LTC and won’t even get a background check done.



The correct answer to 21a is “yes” if you are buying the gun for your self or as a bona fide gift for another person with out expecting payment



21a has to do with straw purchases.



Criminals know this and get it right to commit straw purchases , unfortunately unknowing, unsuspecting and innocent people don’t when trying to exercise their 2A rights.



The instructions on how to answer the questions are on the form. Read them and understand them. Ahead of time is best.



You can find the ATF 4473 online at www.ATF.gov



You can be denied sale for not having proper ID but that is not a disqualifyer. Just come back with current valid not expired ID and you should be fine.



You can also be denied and 30 day flagged for being drunk, high or erratic behavior



I have had to deny sales for all. Reeking of alcohol and marijuana and screaming i need to buy a gun to kill someone



The only customer to complain was the lady screaming I need a gun to kill somebody



We play along, get ID first, not let them access any firearms, document and deny sale.



All within discretion of FFL

1. If a background check is not required because of LTC or not run because you answered the ATF 4473 qualifying questions wrong then there is no NTN# that goes on the ATF 4473. The NTN# is the record number of the FBI NICS background check. Without this NTN# there is nothing you can appeal to the FBI because you weren’t denied from a background check but at the store level.
2. Being denied at the Academy store level for answering the qualifying questions wrong on the ATF 4473 doesn’t not mean diddly squat to anyone else but Academy. By law they have to deny the sale. However it doesn’t stop you from purchasing a gun from another company. The 30 day prohibition is an Academy store policy. Not a law. It’s some type of CYA thing. And they have to make an extra effort to document it in their system database that the seller has to check to make sure that you are not on the 30 day Academy prohibition. The best explanation I’ve heard for it and the only one that makes any sense to me is that if you are really up to no good then you will go to another company to try to make a straw purchase or otherwise illegally obtain a firearm. FFL’s in general are under tremendous scrutiny and big box stores are huge targets for criminals. They are trying to limit any liability from anyone that could be suspected of obtaining a firearm illegally.
3. If you get delayed or denied by FBI NICS check then you’re screwed no matter where you go and will need the NTN # to reference to resolve with the FBI. I would recommend consulting an attorney in cases of denial and if your delay wasn’t resolved and turned into a denial.
4. So if Academy has denied you at the store level you can either wait the 30 days and try again or simply buy it elsewhere from another company. You may be able to go to another Academy but that depends upon how diligent the guy behind the counter is at flagging you for the store policy 30 no buy from all Academy stores and how diligent they are at checking it at when you try to buy again or from some other Academy store. However I how found them to be very diligent about this policy.
5. It could be someone with the same name or relative or someone living at the same address who is on the Academy 30 day prohibited list and they could deny sale. Every thing is at the discretion of the FFL/seller.
6. I always followed the law and didn’t do anything that would get me in trouble but I was not overzealous about denying someone their 2A rights however some things were blatantly obvious and could not be ignored. Multiple cameras are always recording everything especially the gun counter. Management and Law Enforcement routinely check that stuff in particular in cases of shoplifting but management are actively monitoring things on camera and the ATF paperwork /NICS status of buyers /A&D log systems of gun sales.

He was a pretty good copy and pasted though!

 

[V-Tach]

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