Marine Vs Cop - anyone esle read this?

[Wolfwood]

Saw this on the front page a couple of days ago, meant to post, but forgot.

now i remembered!...

New Braunfels Police: Marine choked out cop - Herald-Zeitung Online:

and a bit mroe detailed account here,

Marine Arrested for Attacking a New Braunfels Police Officer On Comal River | KNBT 92.1 FM


WTF?!!?

 

[ChunkyMonkey]

wow.....I surprised I didn't hear about this sooner, numerous friends of mine are police in NB. Lucky the officer didn't draw his weapon and shoot. Glad he was able to regain conciousness.

 

[Wolfwood]

wow.....I surprised I didn't hear about this sooner, numerous friends of mine are police in NB. Lucky the officer didn't draw his weapon and shoot. Glad he was able to regain conciousness.

who was lucky? the "marine" im guessing.

bad situation no matte rhow you cut it.

but i have to admit, and no offense intended, i LoL'd when i walked past the paper machine and it said in big bold letters "MARINE CHOKED OUT COP" i mean, i know headlines are supposed ot be attention grabbing succinct oneliners but DAMN!


and yes, "wow" was the next thing to come out of my mouth as well.

 

[Bithabus]

Should've shot him

 

[Texan2]

I have encountered many young marines who seem to be overly aggressive...I dont think the Marines training has changed but a sense of keeping ones self in check has diminished among the younger generation of our fellow americans.

 

[ChunkyMonkey]

I have encountered many young marines who seem to be overly aggressive...I dont think the Marines training has changed but a sense of keeping ones self in check has diminished among the younger generation of our fellow americans.

Agreed....had a few a couple weeks ago.

 

[Texan2]

For me....it has never been Army, AF, or Navy folk......the richard heads who want to act like a fool are always Marines. that having been said i have a few former MArines who are good friends...so I chalk it up to training gen Y dipshits how to kill and then turning them loose.

 

[Texas1911]

Moron! Throw him in the slammer and throw away the key.

 

[Dcav]

Moron! Throw him in the slammer and throw away the key.

I'm sure his Marine career is over, stuff like that will definetly kill any career ambitions, lucky for him the LEO didnt shoot him.

 

[LilIrishTemper]

Im sure more to the story then this. Im not condoning what he did, but if he had that much control over the cop. He could have easily killed him if he wanted to because thats what they are breed to do. This marine could have just got back from deployment and anyone whos served outside the wire know that the police in Iraq and A-Stan are one of the biggest threats to US service members over there.

It's easy to jump to saying shoot him, but you have zero clue what this guy has gone through.

Alcohol, PTSD, and flashback are the worst combos, easy to judge, which I am kinda stunned as Texas Cop, you are usually the first one to say, the whole story needs to come out before jumping to conclusions. I guess that doesnt apply when its one of your own.

It not the training them to kill part thats the problem, its the help they dont receive when the get home. Look at the 82nd Airborne soldiers that came home and started murdering their wifes within weeks of getting home. 101st same story.

 

[Dcav]

Im sure more to the story then this. Im not condoning what he did, but if he had that much control over the cop. He could have easily killed him if he wanted to because thats what they are breed to do. This marine could have just got back from deployment and anyone whos served outside the wire know that the police in Iraq and A-Stan are one of the biggest threats to US service members over there.

It's easy to jump to saying shoot him, but you have zero clue what this guy has gone through.

Alcohol, PTSD, and flashback are the worst combos, easy to judge, which I am kinda stunned as Texas Cop, you are usually the first one to say, the whole story needs to come out before jumping to conclusions. I guess that doesnt apply when its one of your own.

It not the training them to kill part thats the problem, its the help they dont receive when the get home. Look at the 82nd Airborne soldiers that came home and started murdering their wifes within weeks of getting home. 101st same story.

Possibly, but IMHO deadly force was justified, officer was in imminent danger. Booze does some horrible things to people, tons of people that don't belong anywhere near a drink.

 

[LilIrishTemper]

Possibly, but IMHO deadly force was justified, officer was in imminent danger. Booze does some horrible things to people, tons of people that don't belong anywhere near a drink.

Absolutely, the whole ironic thing is this Marine is a SSG K-9 cop. Last person you would think to attack another police officer. Booze yes 100%, but somethings broken in this dudes spud, I would assume. Wife just sounds like a dumbass.

 

[ROGER4314]

Being old is an advantage 'cause an old fart can look back and see how things have changed and draw conclusions about what caused the changes.

I've been pretty vocal about no knock warrants but I gotta switch hats here.

When I was a kid growing up in Chicago, we used to say that the city took the baddest bastards on each block and put them in cop uniforms. Get lippy with a 60's vintage cop and he would pull you out of your car and tune your ass up. If the cop found a hard ass he couldn't whip, he'd get 4-5 more cops to help him. You WOULD get your ass kicked! As a teenager, I worked nights at a pizza place and was rousted many times. Hell, they'd use you for a soccer ball and kick you around just to get your attention! I KNOW this is true!

Now, cops get sensitivity training and if they use force, there is the always present dash camera, cell camera and security snoopers to come back on them later. I wouldn't be a cop. There isn't enough money to make me choose that profession and I always treat our LEO's with respect. Said another way......I do not mouth off to a cop! The problem here is that we expect a cop to do a dirty job without getting dirty. The folks on the street are career criminals, high, drunk, felons and thugs. When you're in the sewer, you gotta get some stink on you. Now, when the guys do their job, some Libtard comes back to hammer them. The cops hesitate to use force and that's fatal.

Since I'm on thin ice already, the Federal judges changed our prison system to encourage more trouble for our LEO's. I worked in the Texas prisons and knew lots of old timers who told me how it was. In the old days, if an Offender acted up, the "building tender" who was a big, bad ass offender, tuned the guy's ass up for the officers. There was no further problem with that offender. Prison was a place you didn't want to be and damn sure didn't want to come back to!

Now the Offenders aren't afraid of that. They'll file a grievance on the officer for any reason and tie him up doing paper work. I had several grievances filed on me and while most just die away, there is a full investigation on each one. Hell, the Cons have more rights than the officers and prison is more like a vacation. OK....it's not that easy but the cons don't need to fear anything! I remember one Offender saying "I'm not going to stop stealing just cause I got locked up in here!" Real deterrent, huh?

One of my SSI assistants in the prison got out and was back within a year. LEO's got to handle him several times. That's just wrong.

Flash

 

[Texan2]

Im sure more to the story then this. Im not condoning what he did, but if he had that much control over the cop. He could have easily killed him if he wanted to because thats what they are breed to do. This marine could have just got back from deployment and anyone whos served outside the wire know that the police in Iraq and A-Stan are one of the biggest threats to US service members over there.

It's easy to jump to saying shoot him, but you have zero clue what this guy has gone through.

Alcohol, PTSD, and flashback are the worst combos, easy to judge, which I am kinda stunned as Texas Cop, you are usually the first one to say, the whole story needs to come out before jumping to conclusions. I guess that doesnt apply when its one of your own.

It not the training them to kill part thats the problem, its the help they dont receive when the get home. Look at the 82nd Airborne soldiers that came home and started murdering their wifes within weeks of getting home. 101st same story.

It certainly applies and I would love to hear the whole story. Although I'm not sure how you can justify choking out a cop who is breaking up a fight....
If the guy has PTSD or ADD or ADHD or PMS or whatever else someone wants to throw out there it doesnt change the fact that he screwed up royally.

His diminished mental status excuses his unacceptable behavior? I am all for vets getting whatever counseling they need when they come home, but whether that happens or not, his behavior appears to be reprehensible.

Based on what we know deadly force would have been justified....he is fortunate that the officer didnt opt to go that route.

I am always the first to say that when a cop is dirty he needs to go to jail. When a Marine commits a felony he needs to go too. This isnt Iraq or Afghanistan and his behavior should have reflected that.

 

[lalonguecarabine]

His CO's gonna have his ass! Rest assured.
He can probably count on at least a summary court martial. If he is indeed an MP as someone else said, then that MOS just 'closed' to him and he's about to join up with the grunts! ...if they don't BCD his ass outta the Corps!

 

[LilIrishTemper]

It certainly applies and I would love to hear the whole story. Although I'm not sure how you can justify choking out a cop who is breaking up a fight....
If the guy has PTSD or ADD or ADHD or PMS or whatever else someone wants to throw out there it doesnt change the fact that he screwed up royally.

His diminished mental status excuses his unacceptable behavior? I am all for vets getting whatever counseling they need when they come home, but whether that happens or not, his behavior appears to be reprehensible.

Based on what we know deadly force would have been justified....he is fortunate that the officer didnt opt to go that route.

I am always the first to say that when a cop is dirty he needs to go to jail. When a Marine commits a felony he needs to go too. This isnt Iraq or Afghanistan and his behavior should have reflected that.

Agreed thats why I said I dont condone what he did. I'm not trying to make excuses for this clown. I just wish people would understand sometimes its just that not simple to come home and forget that their not over there anymore. Not trying to take anything away from LE but you go home after 10-12 shifts. 5 days a week. These guys are rotated out every year a half some of which are in combat 3-4 times a week. Even the strongest minds break after awhile after that long and depending on what they have gone through.

But like you also said, we dont know the whole story. Drunk Military Cop vs. Texas cop, ie (could have thought he was using to much force got involved) but if he was knocked out and wanted to hurt that officer, not to tough for him to get that officers gun off his duty belt. And this is just the "what if" game because we dont know.

I'm not try to flame you or start shit with you. Because I certainly have no clue what happened. Just maybe a different view.

 

[CAL]

Im sure more to the story then this. Im not condoning what he did, but if he had that much control over the cop. He could have easily killed him if he wanted to because thats what they are breed to do. This marine could have just got back from deployment and anyone whos served outside the wire know that the police in Iraq and A-Stan are one of the biggest threats to US service members over there.

It's easy to jump to saying shoot him, but you have zero clue what this guy has gone through.

Alcohol, PTSD, and flashback are the worst combos, easy to judge, which I am kinda stunned as Texas Cop, you are usually the first one to say, the whole story needs to come out before jumping to conclusions. I guess that doesnt apply when its one of your own.

It not the training them to kill part thats the problem, its the help they dont receive when the get home. Look at the 82nd Airborne soldiers that came home and started murdering their wifes within weeks of getting home. 101st same story.

None of that matters. The facts are that he was choking the LEO to unconsciousness and if the officer felt his life was in danger he would have been justified in using deadly force. Period.

 

[LilIrishTemper]

None of that matters. The facts are that he was choking the LEO to unconsciousness and if the officer felt his life was in danger he would have been justified in using deadly force. Period.

If you look at post #12, I said "absolutely" but for some reason he didn't.

 

[San Antone RR]

My 0.02. Asshat with no respect for authority needs a BCD and to do time. He can get whatever treatment he needs in prison.

 

[LilIrishTemper]

My 0.02. Asshat with no respect for authority needs a BCD and to do time. He can get whatever treatment he needs in prison.

You'd expect it outta a E-1 or even a E-4, I think thats whats throwing me off so bad it's a senior NCO. I'd agreed with you there.