Dumb SOBs..rant on gun advice

[Axxe55]

Some women are more willing to take the advice of someone other then their husband!

Very true. And many women prefer another woman to help them, especially if they are new to guns.

I was lucky with my wife. She already knew how to shoot long before we got together. Only thing I provide is technical instruction about gun to her. Operation, controls, loading, ect.

 

[Axxe55]

Why it’s important to do what we can to help educate others so our opinions don’t infringe on their right.

Totally agree. Sometimes that means we need to "educate" the idiots who think they know about guns.

 

[TX OMFS]

Why not a .357 and shoot .38? I prefer to get the more versatile gun.

 

[Axxe55]

Why not a .357 and shoot .38? I prefer to get the more versatile gun.

IMO, I think that boils down to more of a personal preference than anything.

Several years ago, my brother and father bought almost identical Ruger LCR revolvers for carry. Dad went with a 357, but mainly carries it with 38 Spl. rounds, my brother went with the one in 38 Sol. because he never plans on shooting any 357 rounds.

 

[A1Oni]

typically for new shooters I refer them to simple guns like a .38 DA revolver, Smith and Wesson SDV9E and now the Smith EZ9, and I tell them to get a .22 to train marksmanship on.

 

[skfullgun]

A friend and neighbor recently passed, leaving his wife with a few guns that were all inappropriate for her. She's been carrying a little 25 acp that, when I checked it, is essentially non-functional (it might fire the round in the chamber).

She had asked me what gun she might buy, so we went out for lunch one day and I took a number from my collection for her to try out as we sat at her dining room table after, including a Glock 43, S&W 3913, S&W 669, Ruger LCP, Ruger GP-100, and my Sig P-365. This was just a hands on session, me explaining function, no shooting, no ammunition anywhere around... just a chance for her to handle the guns and me to assess her capabilities.

What I learned was that she has no trigger discipline and will not likely learn it and no hand/arm strength to cycle any semi-auto, or handle the complexities of magazine loading and ejecting, or safeties. She was able to handle the GP-100 single or double action, except that the weight was a bit much.

I have several revolvers, but they all larger frame, bought in the 70's, 80's, and 90's without thought for carry, so that being a hole in my own collection, I ordered a Taurus 605 and a Ruger SP-101, both spurless. The Taurus 605 was defective, apparently the center bore of the cylinder was off enough that, loaded, case heads in certain chambers would bind against the frame on rotation. Fortunately, I was able to return the gun, with no loss except return shipping. The SP-101 is a nice enough revolver. I immediately replaced the grip with a Hogue and did a trigger job including replacing the hammer spring with one of reduced power.

So, intending them for show-n-tell, I set about loading some low power .357 cartridges over a range of powder weights using Bullseye and Unique for my neighbors evaluation, to determine just how much recoil she could handle in a revolver more sized for her to handle and carry.

When I called her to see when we might have a short shooting session, where my intent was no more than to have her shoot up to 5 ascending power rounds for each of the two powders (maybe a few more for good measure), so I could then load a larger number of practice rounds (of her choice) for another session, she was at that point non-receptive. I'll now leave it to her to make the next move... If I hear no more on the matter, that will be fine!

The older I get, the more I realize that offering, or even agreeing, to help people, much less making any recommendation for some product (or even a restaurant), is seldom worth the likely frustration, or later indictment.

It may simply be she finds ANY male attention uncomfortable given the recent passing of her husband, or that she is still grieving and depressed.
My mom and dad were married for 48 yrs. prior to Mom's death. Within weeks, he had several widows/divorcees offering him attention - including my mom's long-divorced best friend.

I vividly remember the phone call from my dad, 10 months after my mother's death, where he asked if I thought it was too early for him to go to lunch with "Jan"? He was ready, but knew my much younger brother would have a fit.
I told dad to take her to lunch. He did. A romance ensued and lasted until my father's death. My brother had a fit.

People process grief in various ways.

 

[baboon]

Why not a .357 and shoot .38? I prefer to get the more versatile gun.

Heavier framed gun!

 

[kenboyles72]

I feel your pain. My next door neighbor, which was 70 at the time, asked me what pistol she should get. I told her to get a revolver in .38 or 22 mag, do not get a small semi-auto. She said ok and off to the gun shop she went. She gets home and comes over for me to explain some things and proceeds to pull out a Ruger LCP. Why? Well, the retard behind the sales counter talked her into getting it, as this was a much better pistol. The next week I take her down to my range to let her shoot, she could barely rack the slide due to arthritis. On top of that, she couldn't hold the pistol right and the slide cut her several times, that was the first and last time she shot it.

 

[benenglish]

Not all women have a problem with recoil. Start with .22 and work up until they say too much recoil. Might be a bigger caliber than you would have guessed.

I was once asked to help a woman with recoil management. Her husband had already bought her a very small, very light 9mm. She didn't want to shoot it again because it kicked too much. She was convinced that 9mm was too powerful.

I gave her my huge, heavy EAA Witness Elite Limited in .45. I showed her the two cartridges side by side. She thought I was crazy and wanted to hurt her with the obviously greater recoil of that big ol' .45 cartridge.

I managed to talk her into firing one round. The recoil was, compared to what she'd experienced, so mild that she immediately wanted a .45. I had to explain to her that the sensation of recoil was a combination of many factors. I went over a few of them and she seemed willing to keep looking for a gun that suited her.

Her husband was pissed that he'd bought her a gun without consulting her and now they both knew he'd screwed up.

 

[andre3k]

That course was worth every penny.

Any course from a good instructor is always worth it. There are some things I've learned in shooting classes that I would have NEVER figured out on my own.



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[Charlie]

I have learned to "never" teach my wife anything! Get a friend to help, trust me on this!

 

[seeker_two]

I agree with the OP except for one thing....I would recommend a revolver in .22lr or .22Mag, especially these days. Both are easy to learn and practice with. And ammo advances make both guns decent choices in SD situations. Multiple .22-caliber holes in the face are much more effective than the .38Spl you're afraid to shoot....or can't find ammo for.

The Ruger LCR and Taurus 942 revolvers in those calibers have a lot to offer.....especially that 8-round .22Mag.....

 

[Sikgun]

Great advice

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Gave my GF my 9 shot Sentinel mk IV in 22 mag.

 

[vmax]

Why not a .357 and shoot .38? I prefer to get the more versatile gun.

Thats fine..
Also a Ruger Alaskan in 44 Rem Mag and just shoot. .44 special..lol
Just kidding man..

Sure a Ruger SP 101 is one I have myself and recommend alot

A Wolfe spring kit and it's perfect

 

[Glenn B]

When someone (a woman or a man who wants to get a handgun) makes a similar inquiry of me, I try to remember to add, to anything else I tell them, to get to a range where they rent handguns and to shoot several in at least a few different self-defense calibers. I also try to be available for them, to be there with them, when they want to do it. If they do not want to do that, I do not want to advise them further. That's because I believe that if they ask for my advice, then ignore it, there is little reason that I should bother giving them more advice on the same subject! When I had collateral duties as a firearms instructor - I had to teach whom I had to teach, that was part of my job's duties. Now that I am retired, I can pick and choose whom I'd be willing to teach, if anyone. It's not like the government is about to force me to do it like they are trying to force folks to get vaccinated or wear a mask.

 

[gll]

Heavier framed gun!

Sometimes... A Ruger SP-101 isn't one of those times.

 

[BBL]

I was once asked to help a woman with recoil management. Her husband had already bought her a very small, very light 9mm. She didn't want to shoot it again because it kicked too much. She was convinced that 9mm was too powerful.

I gave her my huge, heavy EAA Witness Elite Limited in .45. I showed her the two cartridges side by side. She thought I was crazy and wanted to hurt her with the obviously greater recoil of that big ol' .45 cartridge.

I managed to talk her into firing one round. The recoil was, compared to what she'd experienced, so mild that she immediately wanted a .45. I had to explain to her that the sensation of recoil was a combination of many factors. I went over a few of them and she seemed willing to keep looking for a gun that suited her.

Her husband was pissed that he'd bought her a gun without consulting her and now they both knew he'd screwed up.

A lot of people have a hard time understanding recoil, it is physics, magic to most.
I like to explain physics phenomena to people with simple demonstrations for clarity.
You can grab a box of ammunition that's full and one that's empty. Explain that the box represents the gun and a flick with a finger represents the energy of the bullet being fired. Have them flick a finger at each box and observe how the boxes behave. I've been using that one for a while and it seems to bring understanding to most minds.
(if anybody has a better example to use, I am all ears)

 

[TxStetson]

Teaching one’s own wife to shoot can be a touchy situation. 2nd only to teaching one’s own wife to back a trailer.

 

[leVieux]

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My Bride of 40 years isn't a real "gun person" but her Son is USMC-MP/DEA, and she has shot many types over the decades. She is an amazingly good shot, too. Instructors always back-off advising her on technique when they see her targets.

Lady has all sorts of stuff, some very expensive, but refuses to carry anything except a P3AT. At least she does carry that regularly. Re-qualifies w/ various GLOCKS.

Then, there are the adult Daughters. . . . . . .

I have given-up trying to understand women. Should never have tried !

leVieux
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