Chauvin guilty on all counts

[Rhino]

There’s simply no way to believe that this ruling is correct and based on the evidence if you actually watched the trial.

Yes there is. I think we start with some different presuppositions.

 

[Rhino]

Because you still think he was held down by the neck.


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That's your assumption. You've made a lot of them.

 

[Jack Ryan]

I wouldn't take a LEO job on a bet, no amount of money. I wouldn't care if every incorporated city in America burnt to the ground by dawn tomorrow.

 

[Younggun]

QUOTE="Rhino, post: 2312579, member: 2134"]That's your assumption. You've made a lot of them.[/QUOTE]


Lol, it’s not an assumption, it’s what you said.

I watched and listened to the testimony. I still think it was wrong. I may disagree on the charges, but the guy shouldn't have died WHILE being held down by the neck. If he'd clearly died of an overdose, that's on him.
Also why are you presuming I'm getting all my news from the media, can't we assume better of each other here?

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[Younggun]

Yes there is. I think we start with some different presuppositions.

Like what?


Find my posts from when the story broke. I saw the original vid and snapped to judgement like 99% of the people who saw it. But I was able to look at what evidence came out later, including video from before the cell phones came out, other camera angles from body cams, lab results, expert testimony, etc and realize I was wrong.


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[Rhino]

QUOTE="Rhino, post: 2312579, member: 2134"]That's your assumption. You've made a lot of them.

Lol, it’s not an assumption, it’s what you said.[/QUOTE]
It's all about optics. LEOs have had enough time to figure out that there are some things you shouldn't be doing. A 20 second hold to get someone subdued, maybe. 9 minutes, give me a break. Weight on my neck or not, 9 minutes of someone's knee in that position is uncalled for.

 

[Younggun]

“Uncalled for” ?

A murder or manslaughter charge for a somewhat uncomfortable position?

That same hold was used over 200 times last year in that dept (237 I believe was the exact number) with no deaths.

When you resist arrest you have kind of given up on waiting comfortably. And whether or not we agree on that, it’s not even close to prison worthy.


I’ll add that Steven Crowder had one of his crew members who’s slightly heavier than Chauvin kneel on his back as shown in the body cam footage for over 9 minutes too see how terrible it was. He was recorded and speaking the whole time and had no issues breathing. Nor was there any overwhelming discomfort.

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[TX OMFS]

Seems like a lot of assumptions that a jury will find the truth, as opposed to believe the best told story.

Yep, the old adage is that it’s better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6; I’d say the corollary is know thy neighbor for they shall judge.

Here's the real question: if you were Chauvin would you have asked for a bench trial instead?

 

[LoneStarTX]

I am very sad the the man died and the officer went beyond necessary force causing it but the lesson to be learned is always, always comply with oders given by the arresting officer. The man may or may not have survived (due to his dugged incapacity) if he had obeyed. Never argue with an police officer. As any attourney will say "Don't talk". Just comply and argue with the judge.

 

[Rhino]

A murder or manslaughter charge for a somewhat uncomfortable position?

When you resist arrest you have kind of given up on waiting comfortably. And whether or not we agree on that, it’s not even close to prison worthy.


I’ll add that Steven Crowder had one of his crew members who’s slightly heavier than Chauvin kneel on his back as shown in the body cam footage for over 9 minutes too see how terrible it was. He was recorded and speaking the whole time and had no issues breathing. Nor was there any overwhelming discomfort.

I think you missed the part where I said I might not agree on all of the charges. I personally think that the manslaughter charge was probably correct.

I'm sorry, but with civilians right there questioning the actions, there was NO excuse for those officers not to try and change tactics.

 

[Rhino]

I am very sad the the man died and the officer went beyond necessary force causing it but the lesson to be learned is always, always comply with oders given by the arresting officer. The man may or may not have survived (due to his dugged incapacity) if he had obeyed. Never argue with an police officer. As any attourney will say "Don't talk". Just comply and argue with the judge.

That may come back to haunt you. Betcha the Redcoats would have said the same things back in 1776. I think there's a time and a place to comply, but officers conflate resistance routinely, too.

I really dislike this guy's politics, but I think in this case, related to stressful situations I believe he's correct:



Even if you don't like Beau's general worldview, this video is useful information to consider in case you as a civilian ever need to deal with a situation where you might need to shoot.

 

[TheDan]

The only charge that should have stuck was manslaughter and even that is probably not the correct charge.

Yeah, and whoever came up with that SOP and restraint is an accomplice to manslaughter.

...the sad truth is that this verdict will likely take any heat away from the state of Minnesota itself. As an example, an argument was made that Chauvin was using restraint methods approved by the state. The fact that it’s now apparently 100% Chauvin’s fault, takes any heat off the state as a responsible party.

I feel that to a degree, Chauvin is the fall guy

Yep. Chauvin and Floyd are both victims of the state. Who is the state, tho? It's a ball of yarn people are afraid to unravel. Easier to just put on a cop who was doing exactly what was expected of him.

 

[TEXAS "All or nothing"]

I can say that if every cop anywhere near that area quits and walks away leaving the cities and the people in them to deal with the mess they’ve created, I won’t blame them a bit.

No way I’d put my life on the line in that hell hole just to be spit on and thrown in jail because some dope head eats a hand full of pills when I show up.


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Letting the select few rule the town because of just or unjust ruling is idiotic and should 100% be accountable of their each action! If that is the case when capitol hill passes a bill someone doesn't like, should that someone go and destroy others property? Lets ask the American Indians for their input! How about passing a law where they alone are the jury? When state approved training is used then the state should be in part at fault! The jury making a decision based anything but evidence because of their fear of what could happen to them or other property shouldn't happen and would be difficult to prove. The justice system fails every day whether by judge or jury. Just ask the loser?

 

[Lonesome Dove]

And so we live another day only to see what happens tomorrow. Life goes on for those who play the game well.

 

[Younggun]

Letting the select few rule the town because of just or unjust ruling is idiotic and should 100% be accountable of their each action! If that is the case when capitol hill passes a bill someone doesn't like, should that someone go and destroy others property? Lets ask the American Indians for their input! How about passing a law where they alone are the jury? When state approved training is used then the state should be in part at fault! The jury making a decision based anything but evidence because of their fear of what could happen to them or other property shouldn't happen and would be difficult to prove. The justice system fails every day whether by judge or jury. Just ask the loser?

Putting yourself on the line for people who will happily drive the bus over you for doing your job is idiotic.


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[Younggun]

That may come back to haunt you. Betcha the Redcoats would have said the same things back in 1776. I think there's a time and a place to comply, but officers conflate resistance routinely, too.

I really dislike this guy's politics, but I think in this case, related to stressful situations I believe he's correct:



Even if you don't like Beau's general worldview, this video is useful information to consider in case you as a civilian ever need to deal with a situation where you might need to shoot.

This wasn’t a revolution, it’s a cop trying to arrest a doped up criminal and a mod of idiotic people making the situation worse because they was to stand around and scream or make threats to the officers.

This has absolutely nothing to do with 1776. George Floyd was not out trying to fight a corrupt government. This line of thinking doesn’t even make sense.


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[dooladawg]

He abused a person. It’s always been important to not let a job get to you and use sop’s. Now more than ever if you’re a cop. Regardless of what any of us think, he abused someone, that abuse led to a shit storm.

He (chauvin) definitely fuc&ed up.. he let his hatred for criminals overwhelm his judgement. Messed up situation all around.. giving the evil devil worshipping gun control fools something else to hang their hats on.

 

[Younggun]

He (chauvin) definitely fuc&ed up.. he let his hatred for criminals overwhelm his judgement. Messed up situation all around.. giving the evil devil worshipping gun control fools something else to hang their hats on.

How is doing what person literally asked (to be removed from the car and put in the ground) abuse? What evidence is there of hatred?

Chauvin was justified to use MORE force than he did, per testimony of the prosecutions expert witness.


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[dooladawg]

This wasn’t a revolution, it’s a cop trying to arrest a doped up criminal and a mod of idiotic people making the situation worse because they was to stand around and scream or make threats to the officers.

This has absolutely nothing to do with 1776. George Floyd was not out trying to fight a corrupt government. This line of thinking doesn’t even make sense.


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Check out what these patriots did when they found out what was going on in their town..

 

[Rhino]

This wasn’t a revolution, it’s a cop trying to arrest a doped up criminal and a mod of idiotic people making the situation worse because they was to stand around and scream or make threats to the officers.

This has absolutely nothing to do with 1776. George Floyd was not out trying to fight a corrupt government. This line of thinking doesn’t even make sense.


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You are wrong. If I had been present I would hope that I would have also been filming and speaking. A uniform is not an excuse for injustice, excessive force, and brutality.
Further argument would stray into religion, but at best the punishment for this “crime” of the counterfeit $20 and box of cigarettes would be the man being required to give the store 7 times what he stole. The police *were* in too big of a hurry to deal with him.
Regarding 1776, your over-regard for officers is very Tory-like.