Oh this is good. Dallas PD cop kills man

[Renegade]

And another one bites the dust. (member, that is)

he was annoying, but I did not see any coc violations.

 

[AustinN4]

he was annoying, but I did not see any coc violations.

Maybe it is just a time out.

 

[Younggun]

he was annoying, but I did not see any coc violations.

Several choices.

Under respecting other posters “we will not tolerate people growing belligerent” covers it.

And also “If you want to just insult people go somewhere else.”


And finally “we reserve the right to ban or punish anyone for anything, without warning.”




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[ZX9RCAM]

Look for the one with the line thru the name and is no longer posting.

Before I asked I went back 3 pages looking.

ETA:Guess I should have gone back 5.

 

[Renegade]

Several choices.

Under respecting other posters “we will not tolerate people growing belligerent” covers it.

And also “If you want to just insult people go somewhere else.”


And finally “we reserve the right to ban or punish anyone for anything, without warning.”

i was not saying it was not earned just I did not see it.

 

[boomgoesthedynamite]

I walked into a wrong apartment once many years ago. I wasn't paying a ton of attention and I was 1 building off. Everything looked the same outside AND my freaking key opened the lock! Anyway, I was shocked because it didn't look like my place AND so was the guy on the couch. That said, I can give her a pass for being distracted and being on autopilot to get to her house.

Where it completely goes sideways is everything after the door opened. I can 100% side with not complying with orders of someone who just broke into my house and even approaching them. She seems to have gone full Judge Dredd and how dare she be challenged especially in "her" home. She was too quick to squeeze the trigger and then did everything wrong after that.

She deserves prison time, but I don't know how much.

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[F350-6]

First off, apologies for the slow responses here. I go to be early and have a job during the day. Apparently some of you have enough free time to leave folks like me way behind in a discussion.

Also sad to see our friend kilbot is no longer with us. I was learning so much about the Texas penal code from his posts.

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her being a cop is irrelevant to the charges or the defense she will present.

I can see her being in uniform playing into the part about him not following commands. A lawyer could argue that she did not appear to be an intruder, and regardless of her right o enter, her commands shouldn't have been ignored.

Somebody on WBAP threw those numbers out today.
IIRC there was 304 residents, 293 or so interviewed.

15% had gone to the wrong door before building wide.
23% on that particular floor had made a mistake in the past.

I thought those were (surprisingly) large numbers.

I'm not surprised. If you look at typical person who wants to live in that area, it fits with the lifestyle. Self absorbed. Pay too much attention to their phone. Drive to the right floor to park and then pull into the first available space, even if it's on the next level up, but not paying enough attention to realize they're on the wrong floor (concrete ceiling or open sky isn't enough of a clue).

How many shot and killed people as a result?

Just a wild guess here, but probably the same number who were wearing a uniform, were armed, and had been trained to deal with intruders. But as I said, that's just a guess on my part.

But that doesn't change the fact that she entered an apartment she wasn't supposed to be in, and shot and killed the resident who didn't deserve to be shot and killed.

How different is that than a no knock warrant served on the wrong house with similar results? (or is that another thread?)

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And a note about the Texas Ranger... DPS Troopers in general, and Rangers in particular, have an air of superiority towards other LEOs. Sort of like Marines and the other branches.

Sorry, I don't follow. Are you saying the Rangers are just that much better?

 

[txinvestigator]

I walked into a wrong apartment once many years ago. I wasn't paying a ton of attention and I was 1 building off. Everything looked the same outside AND my freaking key opened the lock! Anyway, I was shocked because it didn't look like my place AND so was the guy on the couch. That said, I can give her a pass for being distracted and being on autopilot to get to her house.

Where it completely goes sideways is everything after the door opened. I can 100% side with not complying with orders of someone who just broke into my house and even approaching them. She seems to have gone full Judge Dredd and how dare she be challenged especially in "her" home. She was too quick to squeeze the trigger and then did everything wrong after that.

She deserves prison time, but I don't know how much.

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Sigh. Did you think I didn't get what you asked? OK, we'll play it straight then.
If I walk into an apartment that I allegedly mistook for my own, even though, according to witnesses, I banged at the door first and yelled "let me in!", I parked on the wrong level and went to the wrong floor and the big red mat wasn't a give away yet, I would wonder how that guy I find in that apartment managed to replace all my furniture and changed the lights and curtains and if that still didn't tip me off, I would not shoot at somebody holding a spoon and a bowl of ice cream.

You are being disingenuous. It was dark and the furniture was placed exactly like hers

 

[txinvestigator]

Sorry, I don't follow. Are you saying the Rangers are just that much better?

No, just that they, to me, appear to think they are. At least the few I am dealt with.

 

[Renegade]

No, just that they, to me, appear to think they are. At least the few I am dealt with.

wife had an encounter with one last night. He whined he had to slam on brakes to avoid hitting her. Wife had ROW via green arrow and he had clear sign saying yield. No ticket so at least he was not a total jerk.

 

[El Spicoli]

If I was in my own home, not guilty of any crime, and there's a person pointing a gun at me and giving me "commands", I would think home invasion first and would see myself legally justified in employing lethal force. That what you're asking?

https://www.bing.com/search?q=robbers+dressed+as+police

He is probably thinking, damn this white girl is gonna jack me for my weed. His non compliance (if factual) is not surprising.

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[dapakattack]

Ok, I'm a bit lost as to why the jury did not hear the State Trooper's testimony. Why aren't they in the court room during all of this? Don't mind being educated in something I am ignorant of.

 

[Renegade]

Ok, I'm a bit lost as to why the jury did not hear the State Trooper's testimony. Why aren't they in the court room during all of this? Don't mind being educated in something I am ignorant of.

They heard his testimony. They just did not get to hear his opinion on her guilt or innocence.

His opinion on guilt or innocence is irrelevant, and probably biased for many reasons.

 

[dapakattack]

They heard his testimony. They just did not get to hear his opinion on her guilt or innocence.

His opinion on guilt or innocence is irrelevant, and probably biased for many reasons.

Thanks Renegade, but when is the jury removed so they can't hear that (his opinion)? I always thought a jury was present during all questioning.

 

[Renegade]

Thanks Renegade, but when is the jury removed so they can't hear that (his opinion)? I always thought a jury was present during all questioning.

Juries are generally removed except for testimony and lawyer arguments. They generally do not get to see or hear the details of sausage being made. Obviously they are removed for breaks and such, and this jury is also sequestered.

Also , keep in mind the investigators own opinion was overruled by his own department, which issued an arrest warrant for her. So had he testified, they just would have brought in other folks from DPS, which did think she committed a crime, thus confusing the jury as to WTF is going on.

 

[Renegade]

Wait it gets better:

ME says Botham was shot from a downward angle (he was 10 inches taller), and DA says she shot him on couch. Defense says he got up and lunged at her. You would think blood splatter would confirm which.

I find it hard to believe a non-criminal sitting on his couch eating vanilla ice cream watching football is going to get up and lunge at a cop pointing a gun at him. Add to the fact that everything her defense team has said to date is make believe or lies via omission. Has Guyger post-shooting statement been entered yet?

And if she can see him on couch, how can she still not figure out she is in wrong apt? Did she leave her ironing board in front of couch too? (as seen on body cam).

So many unanswered questions still.

 

[Bithabus]

We should all ask ourselves: if we came home late at night, and found a large strange man in our home, how would we respond? What if you were a small woman? What if you worked in public safety and knew certain people might be out to get you?

Would you stand and chat? Or, something else?

 

[El Spicoli]

Also , keep in mind the investigators own opinion was overruled by his own department, which issued an arrest warrant for her. So had he testified, they just would have brought in other folks from DPS, which did think she committed a crime, thus confusing the jury as to WTF is going on.

Well that is confusing. You have the initial lead investigator as requested by DPD investigating so yeah his opinion on the investigation is kinda important. Don't they rely on the investigators testimony in other cases and what he thinks occurred from the investigation? I mean that is kinda the reason to do the investigation by someone who should be impartial. As for others in DPS that would over rule him, well that really doesn't mean much unless maybe it was his partner that also completed most of the investigation.

 

[Renegade]

We should all ask ourselves: if we came home late at night, and found a large strange man in our home, how would we respond? What if you were a small woman? What if you worked in public safety and knew certain people might be out to get you?

If I came home to my apt and upon opening door found a person in apt I could not immediately recognize (maint man, etc), I would immediately back out, and re-assess the situation. I would absolutely NOT move further in, nor would I engage subject verbally while exposed. Too many unknowns at that point.

It is a good question though, and everyone should think about it and have a plan.

 

[Renegade]

Well that is confusing. You have the initial lead investigator as requested by DPD investigating so yeah his opinion on the investigation is kinda important. Don't they rely on the investigators testimony in other cases and what he thinks occurred from the investigation? I mean that is kinda the reason to do the investigation by someone who should be impartial. As for others in DPS that would over rule him, well that really doesn't mean much unless maybe it was his partner that also completed most of the investigation.

LOL.

If we allowed cops to be the sole decision maker on whether a cop committed a crime, no cop would ever get charged. Which is what this guy thought, she committed no crime whatsoever. No charges, go back to work like nothing happened. Most folks in this forum do not buy that....

The simple fact is he was way the phuck out of his lane. His job is to investigate, then turn over results to DA, who makes the decision, based on those facts as well as other evidence he might not be privvy to, and other factors, as to whether charges are warranted.