What is your HD Ammo?

[A.Texas.Yankee]

One: I've never seen a test that showed under-spec penetration from low recoil shot.

Two: Most tests I've seen show increased penetration in gel with low recoil because there's less pellet deformation.

Google is your friend. Shows that while it still is devastating, it's less penetration. Considerably so.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/02/robert-farago/shotgun-penetration-with-various-rounds/


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[TX69]

Blast'em!

 

[Acera]

Also remember wall penetration is not always a bad thing. I still want enough stopping power after it goes through a hollow cavity, normal interior house wall. In my home there are walls that seperate areas that would provide concealment for an person. Yeah, I have zero issues taking a blind shot through some of those walls if I think it will stop a threat, and I am secure in knowing that no innocents are on the other side.

(Kinda like the Swiss cheese comment from another poster.)

 

[Jakashh]

I use 230 gr Winchester PDX1's in my 1911. Only because I can't find ranger T's online anywhere, or haven't tried, really.

 

[camd64]

Speer Gold Dots in both my 9mm's. Thinking about trying out the Federal HST 147's for my Ruger once I can find some.

 

[Sugar Land]

Don't think they would fit in my 12 ga.

 

[M. Sage]

Google is your friend. Shows that while it still is devastating, it's less penetration. Considerably so.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/02/robert-farago/shotgun-penetration-with-various-rounds/


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As listed in the article, reduced recoil penetration depth was average of 20.5", full-power at 20". Not much difference and both are way over the 12-16" FBI standard and the IWBA 12.5-14" standard.

And absolutely no more damage done by the full power load. That little bit of velocity isn't going to make or break, especially on something the size of a person.

Wait, do you think I mean bird shot!? No, we were talking reduced recoil 00 buck. Use birdshot on birds, not on people. Using it for self defense is stupid.

 

[A.Texas.Yankee]

As listed in the article, reduced recoil penetration depth was average of 20.5", full-power at 20". Not much difference and both are way over the 12-16" FBI standard and the IWBA 12.5-14" standard.

And absolutely no more damage done by the full power load. That little bit of velocity isn't going to make or break, especially on something the size of a person.

Wait, do you think I mean bird shot!? No, we were talking reduced recoil 00 buck. Use birdshot on birds, not on people. Using it for self defense is stupid.

What article were you reading? They said there was less penetration with the low recoil? I'm not saying low recoil is not devastating just less so. And can cause cycling problems in an auto loading gun.

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[HKaltwasser]

Golden Saber +P

 

[M. Sage]

What article were you reading? They said there was less penetration with the low recoil? I'm not saying low recoil is not devastating just less so. And can cause cycling problems in an auto loading gun.

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This 2¾ inch load of Remington Tactical Managed Recoil 00 buckshot fired from an 18 inch barreled Remington 870 Marine Magnum surprised us with it’s considerable penetration of 20.5 inches.

Up for observation was a 2¾ inch magnum load of federal 00 buckshot fired from an 18 inch barreled Remington 870 Marine Magnum. Considerable penetration on average of 20 inches was noted

And again, what evidence is there of the magnum doing more damage than the reduced recoil. Damage will be identical.

If an autoloader won't cycle reduced recoil buckshot, there's something mechanically wrong with it. Some of the lower-powered target loads? Yeah, I can accept that (from a lower-end factory gun). But even the reduced recoil buckshot has a good amount of power behind it.

 

[40Arpent]

I use 230 gr Winchester PDX1's in my 1911. Only because I can't find ranger T's online anywhere, or haven't tried, really.

Speer Gold Dots in both my 9mm's. Thinking about trying out the Federal HST 147's for my Ruger once I can find some.

Golden Saber +P

Did y'all miss the fact this is the shotgun forum, and the OP's question is about HD shotgun ammo?

 

[winchster]

Did y'all miss the fact this is the shotgun forum, and the OP's question is about HD shotgun ammo?

I did. Oops.

I've heard that #4 is a better choice than 00. I have no sources, just what I've heard.

 

[General Zod]

My 870 is always loaded with buckshot. Currently Federal Power-Shok 2-3/4" .00 buck. But...it's not my go-to gun for HD.

It is, however, my go-to gun for coyotes...

 

[General Zod]

I did. Oops.

I've heard that #4 is a better choice than 00. I have no sources, just what I've heard.

I've seen articles (I remember one from decades ago in American Rifleman) that claim #4 has acceptable stopping power while not being as likely to over-penetrate sheetrock walls. I'd rather have a guaranteed knockdown with .00 buck and hope I'm on-target enough to not have that many stray pellets to worry about...my gun's got a really nice choke to keep this problem in check.

 

[40Arpent]

I've heard that #4 is a better choice than 00. I have no sources, just what I've heard.

Ditto what Zod said. Over-penetration is over-rated.

 

[General Zod]

Besides, isn't knowing what's behind your target one of the basic rules of gun safety?

 

[Big Dipper]

Also with the #4 2¾" you've got 27 0.24" wound channels vs. only 9 at 0.33" with the #00.

 

[winchster]

Besides, isn't knowing what's behind your target one of the basic rules of gun safety?

Lol, that's why I use my AR and shoot 300 AAC. Swiss cheese.

 

[40Arpent]

Also with the #4 2¾" you've got 27 0.24" wound channels vs. only 9 at 0.33" with the #00.

i'll take those nine that make it through several layers of clothing over those 27 that don't any day of the week.

 

[HKaltwasser]

Did y'all miss the fact this is the shotgun forum, and the OP's question is about HD shotgun ammo?

OOPS

In that case PDX1 12.