Was asked for my papers

[Bithabus]

One man's opinion.

Jurisdiction
The local range no.
Firearms used at the range Yes.
The "person" BATFE wants to name in an indictment (range owner) maybe Yes maybe No.

Indicted for what?

 

[Renegade]

One man's opinion.

Jurisdiction
The local range no.
Firearms used at the range Yes.
The "person" BATFE wants to name in an indictment (range owner) maybe Yes maybe No.

Indictment for what Federal Crime?

 

[ii]

Indicted for what?

Watch this clip Dont Talk to Police - YouTube

Focus your attention to this part here:
The Heart of the Problem
5:21 - 5:47

 

[Bithabus]

Watch this clip Dont Talk to Police - YouTube

Focus your attention to this part here:
The Heart of the Problem
5:21 - 5:47

 

[Tejano Scott]

There is a lot of fail going on in this thread by the folks implying there is a legal obligation by a Range to verify lawful NFA ownership. There is an easy way to resolve this debate, show me one example of ANY range owner being prosecuted for allowing an unregistered NFA item onto their range.

In fact, what's stupidly ironic is that by checking the NFA paperwork it makes me wonder if they don't in fact open themselves up to civil liability down the road if something ever did happen since they give the false impression to range attendees that they check for unlicensed NFA items. I'd say the same about criminal liability except I still can't even dream of a silly hypothetical where a range owner would face any criminal charges in this situation.

 

[TXDARKHORSE361]

A range and it's employees would have no liability problems if an attendee had an unregistered NFA item than walmart would be if two customers made a drug deal inside the store, it would be the person who is breaking the law who would face problems if caught not the establishment.

 

[txhk]

A range and it's employees would have no liability problems if an attendee had an unregistered NFA item than walmart would be if two customers made a drug deal inside the store, it would be the person who is breaking the law who would face problems if caught not the establishment.

That was my thought. It was an odd request, I obliged, finished up and moved on.

 

[Tejano Scott]

I don't want to act like I'd never show my NFA paperwork... I suspect I'm going to be asked from time to time. But never miss an opportunity to let them know what they are asking for is offensive, unnecessary, and they have no legal obligation whatsoever to enforce it so they mind as well check every gun that walks thru the door if they're honestly that paranoid about violations of firearms law.

 

[Dredge]

I don't want to act like I'd never show my NFA paperwork... I suspect I'm going to be asked from time to time. But never miss an opportunity to let them know what they are asking for is offensive, unnecessary, and they have no legal obligation whatsoever to enforce it so they mind as well check every gun that walks thru the door if they're honestly that paranoid about violations of firearms law.

+1

 

[Bithabus]

I don't want to act like I'd never show my NFA paperwork... I suspect I'm going to be asked from time to time. But never miss an opportunity to let them know what they are asking for is offensive, unnecessary, and they have no legal obligation whatsoever to enforce it so they mind as well check every gun that walks thru the door if they're honestly that paranoid about violations of firearms law.

If someone asks who is not a LEO tell him to stuff it.

 

[Tejano Scott]

If someone asks who is not a LEO tell him to stuff it.

That's my thoughts. But if I've already lugged all my gear, etc. up there and paid, then I might see a situation where I'd show my paperwork and politely let them know I'll never come back again if this is going to be their practice. If the RO is carrying a gun, I will ask him to see his serial numbers and drivers license.

 

[Charlie]

Pardon the thread drift...................Tejano Scott, where did you get that picture of your dad in your avatar???

 

[Tejano Scott]

Pardon the thread drift...................Tejano Scott, where did you get that picture of your dad in your avatar???

Hahaha... My pop is the original infidel, before being an infidel was in style. Lol.

 

[txinvestigator]

This thread makes me laugh. Some folks call ME difficult.

 

[Charlie]

This thread makes me laugh. Some folks call ME difficult.

Can't believe that! I always think of you as one of the most jovial, fun loving members on the forum!

 

[Bithabus]

This thread makes me laugh. Some folks call ME difficult.

I know you are against bills of sale. This is the same thing.

 

[txinvestigator]

I know you are against bills of sale. This is the same thing.

I know you know better. Good grief.

 

[Tejano Scott]

This thread makes me laugh. Some folks call ME difficult.

Not sure who you are laughing at, but either way thanks for the contribution.

 

[wakal]

Not at all. Having discussed this thread over breakfast with the President and the VP of SAGC this very morning, before we went out to the Rocky Mountain 3-Gun Day One, the point I was ever so poorly trying to make is that people can make a difference. All it took for SAGC to remove the "no full auto, no cans" on the range rules was a willingness to run for office, and the ability to put up with the Fuddites while rebuilding a crumbling infrastructure to a 500 yard range with enough bays to host the USPSA Nationals and national-level 3-Gun championships.

Along the way (of buying dozers, belly scrapers, dump trucks, and assorted goodies from the very streets of Tonka-toy heaven), we killed the Fudd rules of "no," but with the caveat that we would not allow illegal activity (pertaining to NFA items) on the range, as we already do not allow meth to be cooked or goats to be cornholed (naaaaay means naaaaaay). Is the range a law enforcement agency? No, of course not. But as both private citizens and as officials of SAGC, if we suspect a crime may be occurring we can and will call the local Johnny Law. Who, since they also use the range, and use us as trainers, are very interested in keeping the range open.

Make any money out of SAGC as a ClassIII by...not allowing illegal NFA items to be used on a private club? Wow, good one...next someone will ask for my last ten years of tax returns because "someone" heard that I didn't pay taxes while running Bain Capital...oh, wait, same thought different verse.

If you want to build your own NFA stuff, get a license. Sixty five bucks every three years for a FFL 07, plus $500 per year for the SOT. Then you can build whatever you want...legally...but you still have to carry paper on each and every item!

If you want to shoot anything, legal or not, build your own range.

My bottom line, here at the bottom (note: No reference to goats, bottoms or otherwise): The NFA rules suck. They are horrible rules, in my opinion directly in violation of the US Constitution, and should be thrown out. We can't do that from here at the bottom of the suck-pool. We have to drain the pool, elect Americans to office and not Euro-trash (or adopted Indonesian-trash) to run the country long enough to return it to what it was intended (but rarely actually was). However, if we don't want to play "hide the salami" with Big Bubba for ten long at Club Fed, we have to play by the rules. Such as they are, not as we wish them to be.

Alex

 

[Bithabus]

I know you know better. Good grief.

In either case, ignorance causes someone to step outside the bounds of propriety and intrude into someone else's private business. In either case there is a mistaken belief that the action will help the person by avoiding or minimizing some sort of liability.