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    toddnjoyce

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    Now all you have to do is figure out how to make those that don't want to listen to reason, listen. Good luck not being dismissed out of hand.

    That’s okay; I dismiss their positions out of hand. In fact, with their zealotry, I fear many of them are in need of mental health treatment.

    I don’t deal with crazies.
     

    IT4me

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    I think the "high capacity" magazine thing is way overdone. It takes only seconds to drop an AR mag. and shove another one in. How is having mag. restrictions going to really impact some crazy SOB if he wants to start shooting people? Three ten round mags can be fired almost as quickly as one thirty round mag.

    Except if you have to use the California "bullet Button" where the mag release is replaced with one that requires a pointed object to operate i.e. a bullet to depress the recessed button. Was intended to greatly slow down mag change times ( and did)
     

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    New Jersey Gun Owners storing their standard capacity magazines in a centralized vault

    https://www.nj.com/news/2019/09/nj-...agazines-in-a-steel-vault.html?outputType=amp


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    Seen that too. What indoctrinated fools. By and large I am betting that most of those clients have never had a run in with LE beyond a traffic ticket and definitely have never had LE at their house for any reason. But all of a sudden, police are coming to their door looking for illegal mags.

    If I recall correctly, one of the ladies in the article stated that she had 10... Yes! 10 mags she is storing there. :banghead:
     

    BillFairbanks

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    Seen that too. What indoctrinated fools. By and large I am betting that most of those clients have never had a run in with LE beyond a traffic ticket and definitely have never had LE at their house for any reason. But all of a sudden, police are coming to their door looking for illegal mags.

    If I recall correctly, one of the ladies in the article stated that she had 10... Yes! 10 mags she is storing there. :banghead:

    Most gun owners are law abiding people, even if the law is stupid.

    Thankfully our founders weren’t law abiding.


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    New Jersey Gun Owners storing their standard capacity magazines in a centralized vault

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    Most gun owners are law abiding people, even if the law is stupid.

    Thankfully our founders weren’t law abiding.
    For the most part they were, they just believed that some laws are higher than others, and others have no force. You can make laws against being kind to someone all day, but that doesn't have any moral relevance if you see a person in need.



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    There are at least 393 MILLION firearms in civilian hands in the USA. Less than 16,000 of those were used in murders, or 0.004071%. And that number is even lower if we take out multiple uses of the same firearms... But my point is that statistics draw, imho, PLENTY of distinction between the 392,084,000 NON-criminally used firearms and the +-16,000 that were criminally used. If that's not a big enough distinction, I don't know what would be.

    Likewise, about 30% of Americans own firearms, or about 98,100,000 people. If you take ALL instances of gun violence, INCLUDING suicides (which I don't think is right, but I will for the sake of trying to make the #s look more 'severe' for arguments sake)but not including verified self defense and LEO use, that's 0.0061036 % of those owners were involved in gun violence.

    No matter how you look at it, those numbers point to the fact that guns, and gun owners, are NOT the problem. The problem is that too few people understand statistics and are unwilling to accept reality.

    People buy lottery tickets, don't they?
     

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    For the most part they were, they just believed that some laws are higher than others, and others have no force. You can make laws against being kind to someone all day, but that doesn't have any moral relevance if you see a person in need.



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