Old Advice

[oldag]

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This pre-set “plan” is unwise.

I’ve been around many “shootings”, although most were decades back.

Any time a person is shot, or shot and killed, there is a big resultant mess for all involved.

Better to do whatever is needed to avoid actually shooting anyone.

Please re-think your “plan”.

leVieux
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At the point I have to draw, I have already done everything possible to avoid shooting someone. That is the point, which you have entirely missed.

People are not reading what is said. They are reading into what is said things that are not there. I am not imitating Charles Bronson. But I am not going to show my pistol until I have been backed into a corner and have no other options left.

You want to pull your pistol and get cute thinking you can stop any criminal in their tracks by the mere site of a gun, by all means go ahead. Don't be surprised if that does not end well.

 

[candcallen]

But guns are a magical talisman that make lions lie down with lambs all lovie dovie and chases evil from mens hearts. The mere sight of one will solve your problems.

 

[Axxe55]

In my opinion if you think showing your weapon or drawing it to scare off a bad guys it is a good plan thenyour situational awareness sucks

 

[zackmars]

But guns are a magical talisman that make lions lie down with lambs all lovie dovie and chasees evil from mens hearts. The mere sight of one will solve your problems.

Seeing guns has only lead me to more problems

 

[General Zod]

In my opinion if you think showing your weapon or drawing it to scare off a bad guys it is a good plan thenyour situational awareness sucks

If drawing the weapon happens, scaring off the bad guy often follows as an unplanned benefit. It shouldn't be part of the plan, but if it happens and removes the need to shoot you should be happy.

 

[candcallen]

You need to realise that when you draw your weapon you remove all other options in the continuum of force. It's nearly impossible to reholster into concealment while grappling with someone.

As a side issue, It's an issue I have with how police are trained nowdays. I think most draw too often. I know why they do it and the tactics involved but there are a lot of officers who use drawing their weapon almost as a pacifier it seems. IMHO

Likewise, while threatening deadly force is justified when physical force is justified, for civilians you have to be concerned with what if they call your bluff? Cause that's what it is at that point. Defensive display is absolutely an option one should be aware of and know when its legally available to you but it's not a magical talisman.

You also need to be concerned with and able to defend against the accusation that you escalated a situation thus removing your ability to claim self defense if it goes farther.

If you arent a police officer you have no qualified immunity. Your actions have to be reasonable and you have to be able to articulate that.

 

[General Zod]

I'm still wondering where the idea that anyone here is advocating using a firearm to intimidate an assailant came from. No, it's not a magical talisman, but when you draw you don't always have to fire. You shouldn't draw unless deadly force is reasonable and justified, but in a majority of defensive gun uses no shot is fired.

 

[General Zod]

And in no way am I advocating for drawing without the intent to fire. That goes hand in hand with justification for reasonable force. But you don't always have to follow through on that intent. If the assailant sees the gun come out and stops, then you're no longer justified in shooting him. Does that mean you shouldn't have drawn? No. It means you're lucky you don't have to perforate the dipshit and deal with all the hassles that would follow.

 

[candcallen]

I'm not directing thus at any one person but a general comment.

People get awful butthurt awful fast when disagreement or discussion ensues about some subjects. They dont like their conceptions challenged. Still others take offense when it's not even clear a comment was directed at them.

Other folks make assumptions about a person's comment based apparently on hidden meanings or info between the line only they can see or their abilities at mind reading over the internet.

Dont do that folks.

It's a discussion not a criminal indictment. Learn grow and evolve.

 

[oldag]

If drawing the weapon happens, scaring off the bad guy often follows as an unplanned benefit. It shouldn't be part of the plan, but if it happens and removes the need to shoot you should be happy.

Of course, who wouldn't be happy?

 

[oldag]

I'm still wondering where the idea that anyone here is advocating using a firearm to intimidate an assailant came from. No, it's not a magical talisman, but when you draw you don't always have to fire. You shouldn't draw unless deadly force is reasonable and justified, but in a majority of defensive gun uses no shot is fired.

I'm sill wondering where the idea came from that anyone is saying that when you draw you always have to fire. 'Cuz ain't no one said that.

 

[General Zod]

I'm sill wondering where the idea came from that anyone is saying that when you draw you always have to fire. 'Cuz ain't no one said that.

The former CaliTroll did. And people have been bickering back and forth on the subject since then.

 

[Eastexasrick]

The former CaliTroll did. And people have been bickering back and forth on the subject since then.

Twisting the words, drop a word, add a word. The intent is to create an argument, cause the poster to re-state, and rehash, an argument that does not exist. Kalitroll.

 

[General Zod]

Twisting the words, drop a word, add a word. The intent is to create an argument, cause the poster to re-state, and rehash, an argument that does not exist. Kalitroll.

Thing is, he seems to have successfully created an impression that some of us are saying it's a good idea to draw a gun with the sole intent of scaring someone off if we feel threatened. Which nobody has said or implied.

 

[Eastexasrick]

Thing is, he seems to have successfully created an impression that some of us are saying it's a good idea to draw a gun with the sole intent of scaring someone off if we feel threatened. Which nobody has said or implied.

He was a very adept troll. I would venture he is out there stirring the pot on another forum. Or back here already with a nice new persona setting the ground work.

 

[Axxe55]

He was a very adept troll. I would venture he is out there stirring the pot on another forum. Or back here already with a nice new persona setting the ground work.

Kylie Jenner was just a loudmouth Punk kid who like to do a lot of bragging

 

[popsgarland]

Kylie Jenner was just a loudmouth Punk kid who like to do a lot of bragging

I have found over the years, that the people who brag about a lot of different things, don't have near the amount of items they brag about.

 

[Axxe55]

I have found over the years, that the people who brag about a lot of different things, don't have near the amount of items they brag about.

Same here

 

[Tnhawk]

I have found over the years, that the people who brag about a lot of different things, don't have near the amount of items they brag about.

Sometimes, it becomes a problem to have too many things! Usually better to have the few things that matter.

 

[leVieux]

At the point I have to draw, I have already done everything possible to avoid shooting someone. That is the point, which you have entirely missed.

People are not reading what is said. They are reading into what is said things that are not there. I am not imitating Charles Bronson. But I am not going to show my pistol until I have been backed into a corner and have no other options left.

You want to pull your pistol and get cute thinking you can stop any criminal in their tracks by the mere site of a gun, by all means go ahead. Don't be surprised if that does not end well.

I didn’t say to not BE PREPARED to fire !