ObamaCare

[The Lox]

It's been nearly two days now and no justification with only nine hours til wifi is cut off.

Some of us do in fact work for a living, and some of us don't sit around worrying about internet forums all day.

I don't have the link, read it on a plane on Twitter during my last trip. I don't save everything I read as justification for internet arguments. If your so obsessed with it, go find it yourself.

Sorry..

 

[The Lox]

I found the writer, but not the specific article - this one illustrates the same things.

A Deep Dive Into Party Affiliation | Pew Research Center

Rife with sterotypes as well.

Here is another one showing it broken down around income brackets. Of course the majority of the country is in the middle, not the over $100k earning bracket.

The Cure for Inequality Is Democracy | Al Jazeera America

 

[Glockster69]

Some of us do in fact work for a living, and some of us don't sit around worrying about internet forums all day.

I don't have the link, read it on a plane on Twitter during my last trip. I don't save everything I read as justification for internet arguments. If your so obsessed with it, go find it yourself.

Sorry..

You're far and away the volume poster in this thread with 15 added since I asked for justification, you've had time.

Saying that you read something, somewhere, is not what educated people use as justification in this type situation.

I manage to keep track of this thread, keep up with work and many other things, all without worrying about you. I just happened to remember you had not yet responded. And I did it all without being condescending too, have you ever tried that?

 

[The Lox]

You're far and away the volume poster in this thread with 15 added since I asked for justification, you've had time.

Saying that you read something, somewhere, is not what educated people use as justification in this type situation.

I manage to keep track of this thread, keep up with work and many other things, all without worrying about you. I just happened to remember you had not yet responded. And I did it all without being condescending too, have you ever tried that?

See post 402.

 

[texas skeeter]

Loxy. Yer still here? I figured you'd moved off into Russia by now yelling at their Gvnmnt for being against Gay marriage and sh-t!!

 

[The Lox]

Loxy. Yer still here? I figured you'd moved off into Russia by now yelling at their Gvnmnt for being against Gay marriage and sh-t!!

Someone has to give you guys something to get riled up about. Where is the fun without me?

 

[The Lox]

You're far and away the volume poster in this thread with 15 added since I asked for justification, you've had time.

Saying that you read something, somewhere, is not what educated people use as justification in this type situation.

I manage to keep track of this thread, keep up with work and many other things, all without worrying about you. I just happened to remember you had not yet responded. And I did it all without being condescending too, have you ever tried that?

Based on your post count, and your join date which is a year shorter than mine, you keep track of a lot of threads. I don't even have 26k posts on a forum I have been on since 2003...you should get a medal or something for that post count. Congrats!

 

[Glockster69]

See post 402.

I did, after I finished tapping out 403 on the phone.

I figure you owe me at least two days to reply so I will view links when I get to a computer.

 

[Glockster69]

Based on your post count, and your join date which is a year shorter than mine, you keep track of a lot of threads. I don't even have 26k posts on a forum I have been on since 2003...you should get a medal or something for that post count. Congrats!

No skin off your back, someone besides you would pay for the medal. Hell, you should nominate everybody for a medal.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

Here is another one showing it broken down around income brackets. Of course the majority of the country is in the middle, not the over $100k earning bracket.

The Cure for Inequality Is Democracy | Al Jazeera America

All this tells me is a bunch of people without money want me to pay for their stuff.

Not really a light bulb moment. I already know that.

 

[SA_Steve]

The Lox has some kinda great job. Makes zillions of posts all the time.
And I'm just a dude.

 

[Se7en62]

Right. Another tactic of the ignorant left is to utilize visual graphs without hard data to support them.

That said, after looking at your graph, I posed the question: How many working age American's work and pay taxes to support America's growing un-/under-employed and/or disenfranchised population?

Here's the data I found and the answers I calculated to answer my question for each country you cited in your cartoon...err, "chart."

Populations of Said Countries:
UK - 61,400,000 (Unitary System, Constitutional Monarchy, Parliamentary System)
Corporate Tax: 19%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0-20%
Individual Maximum Tax: 45%
Payroll Tax: 0-25.8% (National Insurance)
Sales Tax: 0-20%
Unemployment Rate: 7.5%
Population Unemployed: 4,605,000
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 45%, or 25,557,750
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 16.2%, or 9,946,800
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 2.57:1

Switzerland - 8,000,000 (Federal Republic, Direct Democracy, Directorial System)
Corporate Tax: 17.92%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0%
Individual Maximum Tax: 13.2%
Payroll Tax: None.
Sales Tax: 2.5-8%
Unemployment Rate: 4.4%
Population Unemployed: 352,000
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 51%, or 3,900,480
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 7.6%, or 608,000
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 6.42:1

Sweden - 9,500,000 (Hereditary Monarchy, Constitutional Monarchy, Parliamentary System)
Corporate Tax: 22%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0%
Individual Maximum Tax: 59.7%
Payroll Tax: 31.42%
Sales Tax: 6-25%
Unemployment Rate: 8.1%
Population Unemployed: 769,500
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 42%, or 3,666,810
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 12.9%, or 1,225,500
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 2.99:1

Australia - 23,130,000 (Federal Monarchy, Constitutional Monarchy, Parliamentary System)
Corporate Tax: 30%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0%
Individual Maximum Tax: 49%
Payroll Tax: 4.75-6%
Sales Tax: 0-10%
Unemployment Rate: 5.7%
Population Unemployed: 1,318,410
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 49%, or 10,687,679
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 13.9% or, 3,215,070
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 3.32:1

Germany - 80,600,000 (Constitutional Republic, Representative Democracy)
Corporate Tax: 29.68%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0%
Individual Maximum Tax: 45%
Payroll Tax: 41% (15% Legally Obligated Healthcare + 26% Social Security)
Sales Tax: 7-19%
Unemployment Rate: 5.3%
Population Unemployed w/ Employment: 4,271,800
Working Age Population: 48%, or 36,637,536
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 15.5%, or 12,493,000
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 2.93:1

The Netherlands - 16,800,000 (Hereditary Monarchy, Constitutional Monarchy, Parliamentary System)
Corporate Tax: 25%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0%
Individual Maximum Tax: 52%
Payroll Tax: None.
Sales Tax: 6-21%
Unemployment Rate: 6.7%
Population Unemployed: 1,125,600
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 47%, or 7,366,968
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 10.3%, or 1,730,400
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 4.25:1

New Zealand - 4,400,000 (Unitary State, Constitutional Monarchy, Parliamentary System)
Corporate Tax: 28%
Individual Minimum Tax: 10.5%
Individual Maximum Tax: 33%
Payroll Tax: None.
Sales Tax: 15%
Unemployment Rate: 6.2%
Population Unemployed: 272,800
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 47%, or 1,939,784
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 15%, or 660,000
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 2.94:1

Norway - 5,000,000 (Unitary State, Constitutional Monarchy, Parliamentary System)
Corporate Tax: 27%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0%
Individual Maximum Tax: 52%
Payroll Tax: 6-21%
Sales Tax:
Unemployment Rate: 3.5%
Population Unemployed: 175,000
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 47%, or 2,267,750
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 4.3%, or 215,000
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 10.6:1

France - 66,000,000 (Unitary System, Semi-Presidential System, Constitutional Republic)
Corporate Tax: 33.33%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0%
Individual Maximum Tax: 45%
Payroll Tax: 66%
Sales Tax: 2.1-20%
Unemployment Rate: 10.4%
Population Unemployed: 6,864,000
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 43%, or 25,428,480
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 13.5%, or 8,910,000
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 2.85:1

Canada - 35,000,000 (Federal Monarchy, Constitutional Monarchy, Parliamentary System)
Corporate Tax: 26.5%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0%
Individual Maximum Tax: 50% + 15-29% Federal + 5-21% Provincial + $0-$900 CDN Healthcare
Payroll Tax: 4.95%
Sales Tax: 0-15%
Unemployment Rate: 7.1%
Population Unemployed: 2,485,000
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 53%, or 17,232,950
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 9.4%, or 3,290,000
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 5.24:1

United States - 318,900,000 (Presidential System, Federal Republic, Constitutional Republic)
Corporate Tax: 40%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0-3%
Individual Maximum Tax: 55.9% (10-39.6% Federal + 0-13.3% State + 0-3% Local)
Payroll Tax: 15.3% (12.4% Federal Social Security + 2.9-3.8% Medicare + 0-2% state 0-2% local)
Sales Tax: 0-11.725%
Unemployment Rate: 7.4%
Population Unemployed w/ Employment: 23,598,600
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 49%, or 144,697,686
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 15.1%, or 48,153,900
Above Poverty (Assets) / Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 3:1

Now consider the fact that these 'poverty' levels are specific to their host country based on each country's own income/living expenses, but medical costs tend to stay the same regardless of which 1st World country you choose (i.e. - A $50,000 surgery in the US is priced similarly across the EU.) This makes this comparison very subjective; but it still provides plenty of information needed to assess base statistics concerned with this conversation and your rhetorical libel; specifically the fact that every country is unique and cannot be compared to one another at face value with a visual chart, as it's misrepresentation because it was more than likely generated by a 20-year old intern at the Common Wealth Foundation.

That said, 48,153,900[registered] citizens in the US are below the poverty line. This is equal to the same segment of the population in the United Kingdom, Switzerland, Sweden, Australia, Germany, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, France, and Canada...COMBINED. Then there's a excess margin of 5,860,130 people, in addition to every illegal immigrant who's leeching off the system without paying their fair share to support themselves and others.

 

[The Lox]

Right. Another tactic of the ignorant left is to utilize visual graphs without hard data to support them.

That said, after looking at your graph, I posed the question: How many working age American's work and pay taxes to support America's growing un-/under-employed and/or disenfranchised population?

Here's the data I found and the answers I calculated to answer my question for each country you cited in your cartoon...err, "chart."

Populations of Said Countries:
UK - 61,400,000 (Unitary System, Constitutional Monarchy, Parliamentary System)
Corporate Tax: 19%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0-20%
Individual Maximum Tax: 45%
Payroll Tax: 0-25.8% (National Insurance)
Sales Tax: 0-20%
Unemployment Rate: 7.5%
Population Unemployed: 4,605,000
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 45%, or 25,557,750
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 16.2%, or 9,946,800
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 2.57:1

Switzerland - 8,000,000 (Federal Republic, Direct Democracy, Directorial System)
Corporate Tax: 17.92%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0%
Individual Maximum Tax: 13.2%
Payroll Tax: None.
Sales Tax: 2.5-8%
Unemployment Rate: 4.4%
Population Unemployed: 352,000
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 51%, or 3,900,480
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 7.6%, or 608,000
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 6.42:1

Sweden - 9,500,000 (Hereditary Monarchy, Constitutional Monarchy, Parliamentary System)
Corporate Tax: 22%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0%
Individual Maximum Tax: 59.7%
Payroll Tax: 31.42%
Sales Tax: 6-25%
Unemployment Rate: 8.1%
Population Unemployed: 769,500
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 42%, or 3,666,810
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 12.9%, or 1,225,500
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 2.99:1

Australia - 23,130,000 (Federal Monarchy, Constitutional Monarchy, Parliamentary System)
Corporate Tax: 30%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0%
Individual Maximum Tax: 49%
Payroll Tax: 4.75-6%
Sales Tax: 0-10%
Unemployment Rate: 5.7%
Population Unemployed: 1,318,410
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 49%, or 10,687,679
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 13.9% or, 3,215,070
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 3.32:1

Germany - 80,600,000 (Constitutional Republic, Representative Democracy)
Corporate Tax: 29.68%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0%
Individual Maximum Tax: 45%
Payroll Tax: 41% (15% Legally Obligated Healthcare + 26% Social Security)
Sales Tax: 7-19%
Unemployment Rate: 5.3%
Population Unemployed w/ Employment: 4,271,800
Working Age Population: 48%, or 36,637,536
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 15.5%, or 12,493,000
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 2.93:1

The Netherlands - 16,800,000 (Hereditary Monarchy, Constitutional Monarchy, Parliamentary System)
Corporate Tax: 25%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0%
Individual Maximum Tax: 52%
Payroll Tax: None.
Sales Tax: 6-21%
Unemployment Rate: 6.7%
Population Unemployed: 1,125,600
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 47%, or 7,366,968
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 10.3%, or 1,730,400
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 4.25:1

New Zealand - 4,400,000 (Unitary State, Constitutional Monarchy, Parliamentary System)
Corporate Tax: 28%
Individual Minimum Tax: 10.5%
Individual Maximum Tax: 33%
Payroll Tax: None.
Sales Tax: 15%
Unemployment Rate: 6.2%
Population Unemployed: 272,800
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 47%, or 1,939,784
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 15%, or 660,000
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 2.94:1

Norway - 5,000,000 (Unitary State, Constitutional Monarchy, Parliamentary System)
Corporate Tax: 27%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0%
Individual Maximum Tax: 52%
Payroll Tax: 6-21%
Sales Tax:
Unemployment Rate: 3.5%
Population Unemployed: 175,000
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 47%, or 2,267,750
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 4.3%, or 215,000
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 10.6:1

France - 66,000,000 (Unitary System, Semi-Presidential System, Constitutional Republic)
Corporate Tax: 33.33%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0%
Individual Maximum Tax: 45%
Payroll Tax: 66%
Sales Tax: 2.1-20%
Unemployment Rate: 10.4%
Population Unemployed: 6,864,000
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 43%, or 25,428,480
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 13.5%, or 8,910,000
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 2.85:1

Canada - 35,000,000 (Federal Monarchy, Constitutional Monarchy, Parliamentary System)
Corporate Tax: 26.5%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0%
Individual Maximum Tax: 50% + 15-29% Federal + 5-21% Provincial + $0-$900 CDN Healthcare
Payroll Tax: 4.95%
Sales Tax: 0-15%
Unemployment Rate: 7.1%
Population Unemployed: 2,485,000
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 53%, or 17,232,950
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 9.4%, or 3,290,000
Working Pop. Above Poverty (Assets) / Pop. Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 5.24:1

United States - 318,900,000 (Presidential System, Federal Republic, Constitutional Republic)
Corporate Tax: 40%
Individual Minimum Tax: 0-3%
Individual Maximum Tax: 55.9% (10-39.6% Federal + 0-13.3% State + 0-3% Local)
Payroll Tax: 15.3% (12.4% Federal Social Security + 2.9-3.8% Medicare + 0-2% state 0-2% local)
Sales Tax: 0-11.725%
Unemployment Rate: 7.4%
Population Unemployed w/ Employment: 23,598,600
Working Age Population w/ Employment: 49%, or 144,697,686
Population At or Below Poverty Level: 15.1%, or 48,153,900
Above Poverty (Assets) / Below Poverty (Liabilities) Ratio: 3:1

Now consider the fact that these 'poverty' levels are specific to their host country based on each country's own income/living expenses, but medical costs tend to stay the same regardless of which 1st World country you choose (i.e. - A $50,000 surgery in the US is priced similarly across the EU.) This makes this comparison very subjective; but it still provides plenty of information needed to assess base statistics concerned with this conversation and your rhetorical libel; specifically the fact that every country is unique and cannot be compared to one another at face value with a visual chart, as it's misrepresentation because it was more than likely generated by a 20-year old intern at the Common Wealth Foundation.

That said, 48,153,900[registered] citizens in the US are below the poverty line. This is equal to the same segment of the population in the United Kingdom, Switzerland, Sweden, Australia, Germany, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, France, and Canada...COMBINED. Then there's a excess margin of 5,860,130 people, in addition to every illegal immigrant who's leeching off the system without paying their fair share to support themselves and others.

U mad bro?

Your issue is easy to explain, the numerator (total population) of the US is higher than a couple of those countries combined too. Does math confuse you?

 

[jrbfishn]

Go back and look where it started. I give the level of respect back that I am met with. First post after in RE to my first comment was to call me a LIBTARDO, as he put it. And quite frankly I could care less about the others. The only comment I had a problem with was the old man who felt like he was allowed to call me his son. The other stuff has no bearing.

Calling a statement ignorant, does also not equal calling a person ignorant. The word ignorant has gained a negative connotation online for some reason, when its really just another word used to describe someone's lack of knowledge or understanding of a given topic. If the word ignorant gets someone feathers ruffled, that person needs to become, well, less ignorant of our language.

I didn't refer to you as my son you idiot.
I refered to you as son, as in anyoneyounger or with the childlike intelligence you seem to have. Since, it seems, with all your education you still can't read and understand the English language. Which it would seem you are at least someones son or a girl pretending to be. Or were you found in a veggie patch.
Come to think of it, that sounds plausible.

 

[texas skeeter]

Hey Lox, when the revolutionary/Liberal war breaks out as it will eventually I'd make sure you remove the I support ACA and this sticker from your bumper....

Because I can assure you quite a few folks will be aiming for vehicles with stickers like these. I know I will!! LOL

 

[Glockster69]

And I'll be aiming for . . .



Aww sh-t! Fer got . freedom of speech don't apply to unliberals.

 

[SA_Steve]

I just read that 1/3 of last year's participants in Covered California (the O-care marketplace) dropped their insurance completely. The rest will see a boost in premiums for 2016 which will probably drive a few more out.

How does this end ?

 

[jrbfishn]

Somewhere between not good and, it don't.

sent from an idgit coffeeholic

 

[Se7en62]

U mad bro?

Your issue is easy to explain, the numerator (total population) of the US is higher than a couple of those countries combined too. Does math confuse you?

You might want to ask for your money back from whatever degree mill you attended.

 

[texas skeeter]

How does this end ?

Somewhere between not good and, it don't.

L'dMAO!!!